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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: domer on December 09, 2006, 09:21:18 PM

Title: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: domer on December 09, 2006, 09:21:18 PM
Without close knowledge, my impressions of the Iraqi political situation allow me to speculate that maybe, just maybe, commuting Saddam's death sentence could play a role in starting a reconciliation process in Iraq. The Baathists are enamored of the guy, it seems, theone who personified their aspirations for some 25 years. Would they be moved -- placated -- by sparing his life. Certainly, as this terrible mess spirals out of control, it's worth a look.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: sirs on December 09, 2006, 09:30:15 PM
Only if the Iraqis choose to do so.  He's their mass murdering former dictator
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Mucho on December 09, 2006, 09:46:34 PM
Only if the Iraqis choose to do so.  He's their mass murdering former dictator

And the Bushidiot is ours.We will be turning him over to the Hague shortly.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 09, 2006, 09:52:18 PM
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We will be turning him over to the Hague shortly

Highly doubtful.

Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: sirs on December 09, 2006, 09:55:56 PM
Only if the Iraqis choose to do so.  He's their mass murdering former dictator

And the Bushidiot is ours.We will be turning him over to the Hague shortly.

Yea, right Knute.  You keep that track record of "being right" untarnished now, ya hear       
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Mucho on December 09, 2006, 11:26:55 PM
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We will be turning him over to the Hague shortly

Highly doubtful.



You thought the American Sheeple were never gonna figure out the Iraq War scam either, didnt you?
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Mucho on December 09, 2006, 11:27:29 PM
Only if the Iraqis choose to do so.  He's their mass murdering former dictator

And the Bushidiot is ours.We will be turning him over to the Hague shortly.

Yea, right Knute.  You keep that track record of "being right" untarnished now, ya hear       

Dont worry. I will.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 09, 2006, 11:52:54 PM
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You thought the American Sheeple were never gonna figure out the Iraq War scam either, didnt you?

Don't know about that. Do know they fail the gut check. Ask Mikey.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 10, 2006, 12:28:30 AM
Commuting Saddam's sentence, first off, is not up to the US, but to the Iraqis. If the US badgered the Iraqis to do it, it would make them look even more indecisive and incompetent than they already do.

There are probably more that want him dead than want him alive. I don't think that he was a major Sunni hero, then, and he sure isn't now.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Michael Tee on December 10, 2006, 12:34:06 AM
<<Do know they fail the gut check. Ask Mikey. >>

Don't bother.  I don't even know what that means.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 10, 2006, 12:38:04 AM
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Don't bother.  I don't even know what that means.

Americans don't have the stomach for war. Especially those that last longer than a sitcom episode.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Michael Tee on December 10, 2006, 12:52:29 AM
<<Americans don't have the stomach for war.>>

That's bullshit.  What they can't stomach is pointless, unnecessary war for no good reason.  Once they finally catch on that the original reasons given to them for the war were a pack of lies.

In that regard, I don't think Americans are all that different from anyone else.
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 10, 2006, 01:14:28 AM
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That's bullshit.  What they can't stomach is pointless, unnecessary war for no good reason.

Nonsense. They wouldn't have the stomach if it meant an endless supply of oil at a buck a gallon.

Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Mucho on December 10, 2006, 01:23:24 AM
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That's bullshit.  What they can't stomach is pointless, unnecessary war for no good reason.

Nonsense. They wouldn't have the stomach if it meant an endless supply of oil at a buck a gallon.



Then why do you keep starting them if you know we are not worthy?
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Michael Tee on December 10, 2006, 01:41:02 AM
<<Nonsense. They wouldn't have the stomach if it meant an endless supply of oil at a buck a gallon.>>

Huh?  Isn't that what I originally said?
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 10, 2006, 01:43:42 AM
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Then why do you keep starting them if you know we are not worthy?

Because I'm an optimist.

I also believe one day, somehow, most probably by accident, you will write a post worth reading. Your track record not withstanding
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: BT on December 10, 2006, 01:45:15 AM
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Huh?  Isn't that what I originally said?

No .

Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Plane on December 10, 2006, 06:48:18 AM
Without close knowledge, my impressions of the Iraqi political situation allow me to speculate that maybe, just maybe, commuting Saddam's death sentence could play a role in starting a reconciliation process in Iraq. The Baathists are enamored of the guy, it seems, theone who personified their aspirations for some 25 years. Would they be moved -- placated -- by sparing his life. Certainly, as this terrible mess spirals out of control, it's worth a look.

I would not expect this to work , especially if it seemed to ther Iriquis as if their elected government was obeying an order form Washington to preserve the life of the much hated Saddam. There are a lot of people this would displease and there are not any people  that this would make a ally of the US out of.


It might be better to have a Charles De Gaul type of guy take the reigns , someone who would make it look like he was exibiting courage as he orders us to leave.

How to arange for this ?

How did we arange for Charles De Gaulle to seem independant? 
Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 10, 2006, 10:01:24 AM
It might be better to have a Charles De Gaul type of guy take the reigns , someone who would make it look like he was exibiting courage as he orders us to leave.

How to arange for this ?

How did we arange for Charles De Gaulle to seem independant?

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The US did not want DeGaulle to close US bases in France. DeGaulle did this because both the French right and the French left felt that the US was a bad influence in France, and a bad one. The US did not "arrange for DeGaulle to seem independent.He WAS independent. In return, the US punished France by not importing many French products" Citroens, Simcas, Renaults, Peugeots are a bit rare in the US, you may have noticed.

There is no Iraqi Charles De Gaulle. You would be more likely to find a Borat at your family reunion.

Title: Re: Commute Saddam's Death Sentence?
Post by: Plane on December 10, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
What?

Charles De Gaulle was not emplaced by Chirchill and FDR?

His choice saved the US taxpayer a pot of Money which we went and spent in Germany , where our influence was much diffrent.


How do you know that Charles De Gaulle was not being obedient to his English speaking handlers when he released us from France?