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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on July 06, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
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I'm thinking that the 2012 VP choice should be Marco Rubio.
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He has shown himself to be quite good-looking.
He has done nothing significant. Prettyboy rightwing Republicans have not been any sort of boon to Miami.
Nor have ugly ones. Having a Spanish surname (it means "blond, by the way) will not attract any large Hispanic vote, as he is against immigration reform and Mexicans, Puertoricans and other Hispanics think of Cuban "exiles" as smart asses who won't shut up. Note that Cubans do not call themselves immigrants (ie people who have come to stay and make a life here) buy "exiles" (royalty waiting here temporarily to reclaim the thrones that the evil Castro took away from them and gave to unworthy Cuban Negroes).
Note the experience of our first Cuban American senator, Mel Martinez, who Juniorbush and Jebbie thought was such a clever fellow: he was Chairman of the GOP, and Senator and then was told that the Party would not support his reelection and forced him to RESIGN after he tried to get a serious immigration reform bill through Congress.
The GOP is not going to allow Rubio anywhere near a national ticket. Until 2014 at least, his function will be as a comely Republican ornament.
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He has shown himself to be quite good-looking.
He has done nothing significant. Prettyboy rightwing Republicans have not been any sort of boon to Miami.
Nor have ugly ones. Having a Spanish surname (it means "blond, by the way) will not attract any large Hispanic vote, as he is against immigration reform and Mexicans, Puertoricans and other Hispanics think of Cuban "exiles" as smart asses who won't shut up. Note that Cubans do not call themselves immigrants (ie people who have come to stay and make a life here) buy "exiles" (royalty waiting here temporarily to reclaim the thrones that the evil Castro took away from them and gave to unworthy Cuban Negroes).
Note the experience of our first Cuban American senator, Mel Martinez, who Juniorbush and Jebbie thought was such a clever fellow: he was Chairman of the GOP, and Senator and then was told that the Party would not support his reelection and forced him to RESIGN after he tried to get a serious immigration reform bill through Congress.
The GOP is not going to allow Rubio anywhere near a national ticket. Until 2014 at least, his function will be as a comely Republican ornament.
He has shown himself to be quite good-looking.
He has done nothing significant.
Gets in the black vote
Of course I'm talking about Obama
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Barack Obama is recognized as a Black American buy other Black Americans.
To the average Mexican American, Rubio is a Cuban, not necessarily a colleague.
Cubans are normally welcomed if they sneak into the country and given all sorts of benefits. Other Latinos are deported.
You may think that all Hispanics should identify with Cubans, but this is not normally the case. Mexicans are unlikely to vote for Rubio if he thinks his aunt Juana should be welcomed and their Tia Maria be deported.
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Maybe Rubio will run as an American instead of a Cuban-American. I don't think identity politics is as important to Republicans as it is Dems.
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The ONLY reason that Rubio would get any nomination for anything would be because (1) he is thought to have great appeal to fellow Hispanic voters, and (2) it might be assumed that as a Floridian, he might get more votes from other Floridians.
In the even you do not know, Florida's Republicans elected the least popular governor we have in a very long time, a healthcare thief named Rick Scott, who basically bought both the nomination as well as the governorship in a three man race.
Here in Miami-Dade County, we had two candidates for county mayor, running as non partisans, but both were Republicans. Robaina was favored in an 11 man primary, but then he admitted he voted for Scott. The other, Gimenez, told us he voted for Alex Sink, the Democrat, because he thought Scott was a dishonest crook.
Gimenez won. Even though Luther Campbell who got 115 in the general election and carried all the Black precincts, endorsed Robaina.
The Republican Party has become poison here in Florida, thanks to Rick Scott, who has been writing his own favorable blogs lately.
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Marco Rubio is a bright new star for Republicans.
I really like the guy.
I think 2012 may be too early to put him on the national ticket, but his future is exciting.
Happy 4th of July From Marco Rubio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgHQ_sscETA#)
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I remain unexcited. he is just another Belen Academy exilio. He might not even get reelected. As I said, the GOP is poison here because of that dipshit Scott.
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Was Rick Scott ever indicted and tried for this thievery?
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Scott bailed before they shut down his company.
He got away Scott Free, with around $300 million
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The ONLY reason that Rubio would get any nomination for anything would be because (1) he is thought to have great appeal to fellow Hispanic voters, and (2) it might be assumed that as a Floridian, he might get more votes from other Floridians.
In the even you do not know, Florida's Republicans elected the least popular governor we have in a very long time, a healthcare thief named Rick Scott, who basically bought both the nomination as well as the governorship in a three man race.
Here in Miami-Dade County, we had two candidates for county mayor, running as non partisans, but both were Republicans. Robaina was favored in an 11 man primary, but then he admitted he voted for Scott. The other, Gimenez, told us he voted for Alex Sink, the Democrat, because he thought Scott was a dishonest crook.
Gimenez won. Even though Luther Campbell who got 115 in the general election and carried all the Black precincts, endorsed Robaina.
The Republican Party has become poison here in Florida, thanks to Rick Scott, who has been writing his own favorable blogs lately.
a flaw exists in your reasoning. He got elected to office and it wasn't just Cubans that voted for him. You big dummy!
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Again, Scott was not governor when Rubio was elected. Now the GOP is poison because of asshole Scott. Rubio has done nothing since he was elected, other than to make you get the hots for him.
Now is not then.
GOP will not put Rubio on the ticket because he would be replaced by a Scott appointee, and when there was an election, by a Democrat.
If Rubio is such an effing genius, why do you want him to leave the Senate?
As I said, he would NOT attract many Hispanics to the ticket, he would NOT carry Florida for the GOP and he claims that he is not interested in the job. he won't be the GOP VP candidate.
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If Rubio is such an effing genius, why do you want him to leave the Senate?
Executive positions have more power than legislative positions. This is why you see Senators leaving for Governorships.
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A VP does not, however, have more power than a senator.
Any power that is given to a VP is given by the president. Cheney had much more influence than Quayle.
I imagine that more Floridians would pick Rubio over Scott as governor, but it is unlikely that we will ever be given that choice. Certainly not until Scott's term is up.
Lamentably, Scott cannot be removed by recall.
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Biden must have been ready to retire.
Like JFK , Theodore Rosevelt , Trueman , and everyone elese that accepted Veep as a carreer step.
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the more I think about it Rubio isn't qualified to be VP.
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So long as he does not become president, Rubio could attend funerals and come close to Dan Quayle's performance.
But he won't be chosen by the GOP presidential candidate.
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So long as he does not become president, Rubio could attend funerals and come close to Dan Quayle's performance.
But he won't be chosen by the GOP presidential candidate.
what was so bad about the job Quayle did?
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Quayle was the butt of jokes for eight years and then descended into total obscurity. He did nothing of value, and was unable to get the support of even Olebush as a presidential candidate. He was useful only to late-night comedians.
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Quayle was the butt of jokes for eight years and then descended into total obscurity. He did nothing of value, and was unable to get the support of even Olebush as a presidential candidate. He was useful only to late-night comedians.
Democrats like to destroy people. I think they enjoy ruining people or trying. They tried to do it to Palin but she shoved up right back up their asses. I'm sure Dan Quayle is a decent guy. Late night comedians don't write their comedy, they just memorize it, which at least is more than Obama does with his speeches. Obama is so weak he has to have someone write his material then place it on a screen to read. I hear other people write Obama's books too. If it weren't for Affirmative Action Obama would be less stellar than Dan Quayle. And that's the truth.
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Quayle was obviously less successful as a VP than was Olebush. After eight years as VP, he had no serious base for a Quayle for President movement. Olebush, on the other hand, did manage to get the nomination.
Quayle's downfall was his own fault, just as Palin's major decline i popularity was her own fault. Neither is remotely qualified to be president of anything.
Cheney, as I said, will soon vanish into the woodwork. Today he is a has-been, in a year or so he will be a Dick Who?
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Do folks notice how when the left describes itself, and in particular Dem Presidents, how 'smart" & "intellectual" they are. Even Carter was considered quite brilliant. Notice how they describle conservatives, in particular past Republican presidents, and those now being considered as running? dumb, neanderthals, morons, completely unqualified for any high ranking position and a butt for late night jokes
Political Law #7
Liberals give themselves far too much credit just for being liberal.
To many liberals, all one needs to do to be wise, intelligent, compassionate, open minded, and sensitive is to BE LIBERAL. In other words, many of the good things about a person spring not from his actions, but from the ideology he holds.
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Cheney was not stupid. He was a very clever thief, a skilled liar, and an effective influence peddler. Juniorbush had way enough stupid for the pair of them.
Carter was very bright. His problem was that he trusted evil people like Kissinger, who set him up for the Iran hostage mess.
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Notice how they describle conservatives, in particular past Republican presidents, and those now being considered as running?
Cheney was not stupid. He was a very clever thief, a skilled liar, and an effective influence peddler. Juniorbush had way enough stupid for the pair of them.
Notice how when the left describes itself, and in particular Dem Presidents, how 'smart" & "intellectual" they are
Carter was very bright. His problem was that he trusted evil people like Kissinger, who set him up for the Iran hostage mess.
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After eight years as VP, he had no serious base for a Quayle for President movement. Olebush, on the other hand, did manage to get the nomination.
Quayle was VP for only 4 years. And it is true that the entertainment industry did a hatchet job on him for daring to say that the Murphy Brown Show was doing a disservice to the viewing public by glorifying single parenthood, regardless of the means and resources to support such a lifestyle. For the vast majority of single moms, for whatever reason they are single, it is not easy street. And that was the alleged sin Quayle committed.
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Quayle was chosen because his family had oodles of money. His qualifications were intensely modest.
It is true that most of the flak he got was over his stupid Murphy Brown comment, which won little support and got him major criticism, but he also said a lot of dumb things as well.
True, I forgot that Olebush and Quayle were only disgracing their offices for a mere four years.
He was better than Agnew, who was thrown out for malfeasance before his term was up.
Cheney surely did more damage to this country than both of Agnew and Quayle put together.
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The propensity to gaffe has been no handicap to the present President has it?
There are indeed bloggers who delight in collecting and publishing BHO faux pass but none have the voltage of the MSM that did this for Quaile.
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Quayle was chosen because his family had oodles of money. His qualifications were intensely modest.
It is true that most of the flak he got was over his stupid Murphy Brown comment, which won little support and got him major criticism, but he also said a lot of dumb things as well.
True, I forgot that Olebush and Quayle were only disgracing their offices for a mere four years.
He was better than Agnew, who was thrown out for malfeasance before his term was up.
Cheney surely did more damage to this country than both of Agnew and Quayle put together.
I don't ever wonder if you are smarter than you are.
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In conclusion, I really really doubt that Rubio will be running for VP.
Quayle will continue to sink into obscurity, until he dies, and as with Agnew, people will say "I though he died already!"
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In beginning
Perry-Pawlenty 2012
While the presidential horserace will consume much of the political media’s attention over the next year, muted Running Mate Match Game speculation is already underway. One figure that generates a disproportionate amount of discussion on this front is Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). Despite a series of public demurrals, Rubio-for-VP buzz is unlikely to dissipate any time soon. In Rubio, Republicans have a gifted politician, a very effective communicator, and someone who has earned near-universal admiration among conservatives. He also hails from a critical swing state, and could almost single-handedly put a coveted and growing demographic into play, virtually overnight. Rubio could be especially attractive to a potential Romney general election campaign, as the former Massachusetts Governor may feel pressure to select a running mate who ignites major excitement among the base – a la Sarah Palin in 2008.
But what if the nominee is Texas Governor Rick Perry? CNN’s latest nationwide poll of Republican primary voters gives Perry a nearly 2-to-1 advantage over Romney, solidifying his status as the field’s new frontrunner. Beyond a prevailing sense of urgency to fire the incumbent, Perry’s larger-than-life persona, hard-charging style, and conservative record make it entirely plausible that the GOP base would not need any further energizing heading into the campaign’s home stretch. Therefore, Perry’s political calculus for filling out his ticket would differ significantly from Romney’s.
Enter Tim Pawlenty. The former Minnesota Governor became the first major presidential candidate to drop out of the Republican race after registering a disappointing third-place finish at the Ames Straw Poll in early August. He has since swatted down suggestions that he run for the Senate against Democrat Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) in the upcoming electoral cycle. This decision renders him available for the Veepstakes -- and although he may not be the most exciting choice, Pawlenty just might suit Rick Perry’s needs quite nicely.
Rick Perry is brash, bold, and projects a thoroughly Texan ethos. By comparison, Pawlenty is a gentler, though earnest, Midwestern conservative. He hews so closely to the “Minnesota nice” stereotype that he looked visibly uncomfortable attacking Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann during GOP debates. This contrast in dispositions could prove mutually valuable. Pawlenty could somewhat soften Perry’s hard-edged, take-no-prisoners personality and could slightly tamp down the razor-sharp spurs on his running mate’s cowboy boots. Meanwhile, the Texan’s aggressive campaign posture could focus and sharpen some of Pawlenty’s broadsides against President Obama.
Pawlenty also owns an established record of appealing to independent voters. He was elected governor of deep-blue Minnesota in 2002, cultivated an admirable – though not flawless – record of governance, and was re-elected in 2006, a rare bright spot for Republicans that year. One of the few pertinent questions voters ask themselves to evaluate Vice Presidential candidates is, “Could this person assume the presidency and do a credible job, if, God forbid, it should become necessary?” Pawlenty’s eight years as a chief executive, salted heavily with international travel to augment his foreign policy chops, should decisively answer that question in the affirmative. The man is prepared to be president.
Two more considerations: Pawlenty’s status as a Midwesterner would add some geographic diversity to the ticket, which is sometimes seen as a relevant “balancing” consideration. His Great Lakes, blue-collar background would have regional appeal in areas that were crucial to last year’s Republican landslide – namely, states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Whether he could make his home state even somewhat competitive is an open question.
Finally, despite all the disparaging analysis (some of it deserved) that he’s not a dynamic presence on the campaign trail, Pawlenty does not commit major, unforced errors. As a fixture on McCain’s short list for VP three years ago, Pawlenty has been vetted and re-vetted at a very high level. If Republicans are intent on making the 2012 campaign a referendum on President Obama (as they should), fielding an pre-scrutinized, workmanlike, reliable, and generally unthreatening Vice Presidential nominee would be helpful. If the goal is to spotlight Obama’s failures, it wouldn’t hurt to have a disciplined campaign veteran on the ticket who isn’t a liability, and who wouldn’t draw undue and unwanted attention. In short, one of Pawlenty’s underrated attributes is that he would almost certainly do no harm.
On a personal level, I’m told Perry and Pawlenty get along exceptionally well, and traveled together fairly extensively during their Republican Governors Association days. A well-placed GOP consultant says that despite his professed lack of interest in being considered for the number two spot next year, Pawlenty would “seriously consider” the offer if it’s extended – perhaps especially so if it comes from Perry.
Perry-Pawlenty would offer voters a robust contrast next year: Two proven, competent, budget-balancing, conservative chief executives vs. a pair of failed, liberal former legislators whose self-regard far outstrips their accomplishments. Pawlenty certainly has his shortcomings, but in light of the case laid out above, the future GOP nominee would be wise to at least give him a long, serious look.
Op-ed (http://townhall.com/columnists/guybenson/2011/08/30/perry-pawlenty_2012)
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I think Susana Martinez might be a VP player regardless of who the nominee is; Perry or Romney.
Last weekend she scored 100% on her exam with .38 and .45 caliber pistols.
Susana Requalifies for Concealed Carry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qesnbpgO304#)
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Quayle will continue to sink into obscurity, until he dies,
Has it ever occurred to you with your hateful, racist comments
and disgusting negativity that some people may prefer
after serving in gvt returning to private life
and spending time with their family and friends?
Not everyone wants to be like Gore and John Edwards
banging whores, lying, and cheating as they continue
on in the "spotlight". I certainly would prefer obscurity.
Plus Vice President Quayle's son is now a US Congressman
and rightfully got elected on the slogan that
"Obama is the worst President in History!"
http://quayle.house.gov/ (http://quayle.house.gov/)
BEN QUAYLE: Barack Obama Is The Worst President Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG08nR475s4#ws)
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Quayle will continue to sink into obscurity, until he dies,
Has it ever occurred to you with your hateful, racist comments
and disgusting negativity that some people may prefer
after serving in gvt returning to private life
and spending time with their family and friends?
Not everyone wants to be like Gore and John Edwards
banging whores, lying, and cheating as they continue
on in the "spotlight". I certainly would prefer obscurity.
Plus Vice President Qualye's son is now a US Congressman
and rightfully got elected on the slogan that
"Obama is the worst President in History!"
http://quayle.house.gov/ (http://quayle.house.gov/)
BEN QUAYLE: Barack Obama Is The Worst President Ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG08nR475s4#ws)
There is no doubt Dan Quayle would have been a better president than Obama.
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I am sure he is far better than Nixon, who was thrown out of office.
He is also far, far smarter than you.
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I am sure he is far better than Nixon, who was thrown out of office.
He is also far, far smarter than you.
I wouldn't know how to measure his or my intelligence but I know that I made mine (all of mine) on my own, without backers and Affirmative Action. No government handouts, no special deals to buy my house, no free money, no assistance in my education.
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If you have a mortgage interest tax deduction to buy your house, that is sort of a special deal, even though everyone else might get one.
I do not really think economic success is an accurate determiner for intelligence. It indicates only one specific type of intelligence.
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If you have a mortgage interest tax deduction to buy your house, that is sort of a special deal, even though everyone else might get one.
I do not really think economic success is an accurate determiner for intelligence. It indicates only one specific type of intelligence.
I got mine without Affirmative Action help so in a way I overcame racial discrimination and still achieved success. I'm better than Obama! Obama needs me more than I need him! Matter of fact, Obama needs millions like me but millions like me don't need Obama. As a matter of fact, Obama is a roadblock to people like me.
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Anything that blocks you cannot be all bad.
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Anything that blocks you cannot be all bad.
Well, the roadblock will be removed in 2012. I don't mind a temporary roadblock every now and then. It gives me perspective in life. Honestly, I would hate to have Obama's life. Sadly he has the misfortune of having to live inside his shell of a person. Ever wonder why you never heard about an old girlfriend or some other friend from his past? The reason is he doesn't have any friends and his main thing in life is himslef. How pathetic, and even more pathetic is people like you that put him on a pedestal.