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Title: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: R.R. on October 25, 2011, 02:03:36 AM
Radio ad for Herman Cain aimed at Republican voters in 50 states, campaign says
Jennifer Jacobs 2:24 PM, Oct 24, 2011

A national radio advertisement for presidential candidate Herman Cain begins Tuesday on the Rush Limbaugh program ? and it?s aimed not only at Iowa but all 50 states, Cain?s aides said today.

?We are running a 50 state campaign, with the belief that every Republican voter in every state should have a say in the outcome of our party?s nominating process,? Mark Block, Cain?s chief of staff, said in a written statement today.

Steve Grubbs, Cain?s Iowa campaign chairman, said in the statement that Limbaugh?s show reaches the two biggest AM stations in Iowa.

?We believe this will support our renewed efforts to line up precinct captains in 1,500 locations across the state and help us raise the critical donations we need to fund our campaign effort,? Grubbs said.

A surge in donations for Cain put the campaign into a position to take Cain?s message to Republican primary voters nationally, Block said.

?Herman Cain recorded a message speaking directly to voters and we believe this will begin to solidify our support in all 50 states,? Block said.

The ad, which will continue into next week, promotes a new website called www.999MeansJobs.com (http://www.999MeansJobs.com).

For the first time in two months, Cain made a visit to Iowa this past weekend, for tailgating at two state college football games and a speech to conservatives at a forum hosted by a Christian policy organization. Since August, he has dedicated his time campaigning outside the first-in-the-nation caucus state.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/10/24/radio-ad-for-herman-cain-aimed-at-republican-voters-in-50-states-campaign-says/ (http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/10/24/radio-ad-for-herman-cain-aimed-at-republican-voters-in-50-states-campaign-says/)
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 25, 2011, 09:55:47 AM
Yeah, 999means jobs. Like in the construction industry.

People who were unwilling to pay $100,000 for a house will  absolutely jump at the chance to pay $109,000.

Perhaps he could call this 999mean jobs instead. All the jobs he creates will be with mean companies and mean bosses, all paid less than the mean.

Again, a crackpot and a blowhard.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Amianthus on October 25, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
Yeah, 999means jobs. Like in the construction industry.

People who were unwilling to pay $100,000 for a house will  absolutely jump at the chance to pay $109,000.

Nothing like posting misleading information. The sales price of a new house will remain roughly the same. Since the 9% is charged on "new" products only (and not on products that are being purchased as raw materials for other items) the government will need to take one of the following two positions:

Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 25, 2011, 12:17:17 PM
No matter how the pieces of a new house are taxed (and it is only your opinion that the entire tax will not be taxed as a new item), a 9% sales tax will still substantially increase the price.

I do not believe that the 999 plan has any chance of getting through Congress.It will be far more difficult than health reform.

But in the very unlikely event that it did pass, it would depress the market for new houses by making them more expensive.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Plane on October 25, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
   Has VAT been a failure in the countries that have it?
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 25, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
VAT taxes raise revenue, and they are easy to impose, because the taxpayer is helpless to buy anything new without paying (except, I suppose stolen goods) but they are very regressive.

If the goal is to stimulate business and create jobs, Cain's tax will do the opposite.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: sirs on October 25, 2011, 06:01:09 PM
On the contrary it'll do just the opposite, especially at the corporate level, as businesses, small, medium, and large, will have more capital to work with, less regulation, and more confidence in the tax code, subsequently embracing expansion and with it, an increased robust job market

At least for the private sector
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Plane on October 25, 2011, 07:08:12 PM
VAT taxes raise revenue, and they are easy to impose, because the taxpayer is helpless to buy anything new without paying (except, I suppose stolen goods) but they are very regressive.

If the goal is to stimulate business and create jobs, Cain's tax will do the opposite.


   It is a valad point that all taxes supress the economy , any sort of tax can reduce the potential for employment.
    Why would a simpler tax do this worse than an extremly complex one?
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 25, 2011, 09:01:51 PM
It is the rate of the tax that makes the difference, not the complexity.

The 1040 form is easy to complete, the 1040EZ is far easier, especially with a computer program.

If you tax the poorer people, they will spend less on products, because they will spend more on taxes.
Wealthy people do not spend as large a share of their income on goods and services. They tend to invest it or save it in some way.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Kramer on October 26, 2011, 12:03:20 AM
It is the rate of the tax that makes the difference, not the complexity.

The 1040 form is easy to complete, the 1040EZ is far easier, especially with a computer program.

If you tax the poorer people, they will spend less on products, because they will spend more on taxes.
Wealthy people do not spend as large a share of their income on goods and services. They tend to invest it or save it in some way.


Do you really believe that you are the expert on everything as you seem to want everyone else to believe about you? Do you really? Because you aren't, and we all know it, but wonder if you know it.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 26, 2011, 12:30:22 AM
Nice to see that, as I expected, you have nothing intelligent to say on the topic at hand. Just more infantile insults.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: sirs on October 26, 2011, 02:32:27 AM
Ohhh, the irony
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Plane on October 26, 2011, 06:02:29 AM
It is the rate of the tax that makes the difference, not the complexity.

The 1040 form is easy to complete, the 1040EZ is far easier, especially with a computer program.

If you tax the poorer people, they will spend less on products, because they will spend more on taxes.
Wealthy people do not spend as large a share of their income on goods and services. They tend to invest it or save it in some way.

    I think that the complexity makes a lot of diffrence.

    In this particular case the rate does not make a diffrence, most people will be paying about the same amount.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 26, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
First, the 1040 form is not all that complex.

Second, every Republican plan reduces taxes on the wealthy, which means that either the deficit grows or the poor get taxed more. The government is not going to shrink, except perhaps for the military.

Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Kramer on October 26, 2011, 11:26:40 AM
First, the 1040 form is not all that complex.

Second, every Republican plan reduces taxes on the wealthy, which means that either the deficit grows or the poor get taxed more. The government is not going to shrink, except perhaps for the military.

Clearly you aren't wealthy, neither am I, at least by my definition, but I am intelligent enough to know that poor people can't stimulate the economy like a wealthy person; let alone the fact that Obama has decided that the upper Middle Class are wealthy and he's hell-bent on completely destroying the Middle Class altogether. Plus, people like you and Obama like to treat people different from each other pitting group against group, race against race, and play class warfare games.

You and Obama are pathetic immature angry children with a chip on your shoulders and likely suffered some severe issues as children that have manifested into a full blown case of mental illness in your adult lives. Clearly you people are bitter & angry at the world. I dare say that your station in life is exactly were you put yourself and not the fault of a rich guy or anyone else.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: sirs on October 26, 2011, 11:41:53 AM
Despite Xo's twisting in the wind, at least we've got him to change his tune from the Republicans have no plan, to now they do
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Kramer on October 26, 2011, 11:46:15 AM
Despite Xo's twisting in the wind, at least we've got him to change his tune from the Republicans have no plan, to now they do

At least when he's twisting in the wind his adult diapers could be getting a bit of airing out which might cut down on the stench, which in turn might make his neighbors and fellow Walmart shoppers happier.
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on October 26, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
I think I am going to make a donation to the Herman Cain Campaign today!

https://www.hermancain.com/donate (https://www.hermancain.com/donate)
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: R.R. on October 26, 2011, 01:09:14 PM
Here is the radio spot:

"999 Means Jobs Jobs Jobs" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSL-kugBtFc#)
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Kramer on October 26, 2011, 04:49:07 PM
It's sad that people like XO & Mikey resort to racist name-calling Herman Cain a Uncle Tom. Seems like perfect retribution would be a Cain presidency.

Unlike Obama Cain is mature enough to change his plan if it turns out not to work. Clearly Cain has done that in his business dealings. Obama is a mere child...
Title: Re: Cain to start 50 state ad campaign on Rush -- 999MeansJobs.com
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on October 26, 2011, 10:58:02 PM
Cain's candidacy has little chance of getting the nomination. His 999 plan will never make it through Congress. And you have no reason to believe that he would change his mind and try something else. You are projecting your opinions, and you have no basis for doing this.

Like any president, he would discover that he has much less power than he thought. But that only in the very unlikely event that he actually won both elections.