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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on September 05, 2015, 09:42:48 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/editorial/trump-a-monster-the-gop-created/2015/07/09/180812b0-2665-11e5-b621-b55e495e9b78_video.html
Trump can be quoted on both sides of some issues , his stance in 2000 was different than it is now.
This does not prove he is a wind sock , his opinions could genuinely have evolved.
President Obama has swapped sides on some things, Romney got this criticism too.
This is probably just the skill of a politician , to be adaptable.
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Trump is simply an ego that craves recognition. He is a manipulator who has no scruples. He will follow the law only when he sees no alternative.
He lies, he has used deceit and theatrics many times.
He does not divide people into Liberals and Conservatives.
He divides then into Winners and Losers.
He is always the Winner.
Those who oppose him are the Losers.
He is not a complicated person.
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Now we just need a poster of our Current Community Organizer & Chief, as that was the perfect description of him. Bravo. Couldn't have articulated that any better
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Your stupid opinion is duly noted, as a stupid opinion.
And it has nothing to do with the subject, and that is also stupid.
Like you.
Obsessed
Fanatical
Ignorant
Stupid.
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And still more projection......bravo 8)
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Project yourself, moron.
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Brilliant rhetort.......so exemplifying that of a skilled language professor of the leftst persuasion
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It is not my fault you were born stupid and incapable of logical thought.
The main problem with stupid people is that they are unaware that they are, in fact, stupid.
So I am here to help:
Sirs: you are stupid.
Now you know.
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...and your 99.9% erroneous opinion track record has been weighed, measured, and found wanting. Let us know when you're ready to return to the adults' table. We all look forward to it
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Again. you are not sitting at the adult's table.
You are seated proudly at the dunces' table.
Tell Moe, Shemp and Larry I said "Hi!"
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Wash...rinse...repeat ::) (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=19236.msg171833#msg171833)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icEmXdxmpUY
Is Sharpton a mentor of Trump?
Some of Trumps best friends are Liberals.
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Yes they are. There's alot of questionable issues with the Don.....although he put a lot of it to rest when he signed his GOP only pledge
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He can still cry "I wuz robbed!" and run as a Third Party candidate.
He has a history of weaseling out of contracts and leaving his former allies holding a bag of debts.
He has not signed the famous Grover Norquest Pledge of No new taxes.
Will the Taxed Too Much Already Tea partiers follow him? Some are surely dumb enough.
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He could but he won't. He'd alienate far too many potential voters to go rogue at this point
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NOT signing it is "going rogue".
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Under your parameters, everyone has gone rogue. Who's been asked to sign it now?? ::) I'm referring to the pledge everyone was asked to sign CURRENTLY, not something that no one is asking anyone to sign way back when. So, CURRENTLY, as in NOW, as in the PRESENT POLITICAL CLIMATE, he'd be losing any chance of becoming President, if he went rogue NOW.
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You make no sense.
Signing a pledge to not raise taxes would not lose him votes, especially in the Iowa GOP primary.
It is the same pledge. There is not a different one.
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You make no sense.
I'm making perfect sense. When's the last time anyone has been asked to sign some no new taxes pledge??
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Speaking of pledges...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/07/voters-reportedly-required-to-pledge-their-loyalty-before-attending-ohio-event/
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oy vey ::)
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I'm making perfect sense. When's the last time anyone has been asked to sign some no new taxes pledge??
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Grover Norquest's Pledge is an ongoing thing. All politicians are supposed to sign it to gain his approval.
The TEA in TEA PARTY stands for Taxed Enough Already. I suppose Trump doesn't sign it because he is not soliciting funds from the various fatcats that demand compliance with Norquest. But in the GOP "No More Taxes" is the official position, Going Rogue is defying it. Everyone hates taxes, they think they are punishment and say so all the time. "Ooooooh, why should I be PUNISHED for my success?" is their usual cry.
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So, in other words, there is no current, as in now, as in presently requested pledge to sign, regarding a no new taxes......as in no one is going rogue for not signing anything that the RNC has requested everyone sign
And I know all about what the Tea Party stands for, thank you very much. When you actually have something that has Trump going rogue, that no one else is doing at the behest of the RNC, we'll look forward to you sharing it
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Trump can be quoted on both sides of some issues , his stance in 2000 was different than it is now.
and what politician hasn't changed positions?
Hillary...don't ask don't tell....gay marriage....Iraq invasion, corn ethanol tax, on and on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgESM7dI1kQ
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...................... "Ooooooh, why should I be PUNISHED for my success?" is their usual cry.
That makes a good question to be answered.
Why when I work a lot of overtime should my receipt be shrunk by a greater factor?
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Yes, it is a progressive tax system. If you work overtime, you will still make more than if you didn't. The tax rates are fair, and taxes are not punishment.
The concept of "smaller government", unobtainable thus far by both Democrats and Republicans alike, has as one of its major purposes the reduction of taxes. If taxes are raised, then odds are you would not get a smaller government. Trump is just an egomanaical Big Swinging Dick that makes up his policies as he goes along: the only thing he really wants is to be President: his ego is everything: he could give a shit about the country, its people or the policies of the government, The number one only thing Trump wants is to satisfy his enormous ego by being recognized as the Greatest Big Swinging Dick of all time.
Should the impossible occur and he was elected, he would discover that it would cost a fortune to remove 11 million illegals, and that it would cause a major disruption on both sides of the border for a year or more. Most important, Congress would refuse to vote him the money to do it. Hiring enough people to handle the deportations would NOT result in a "smaller government". If this were attempted, we would see mothers being separated from their children every night on the news, we would see teenagers born in this country suing the government. There would be utter chaos. And Trump would suddenly be seen as a puny, flaccid dick that was not long enough to swing ever again.
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I never understood the concept of turning down overtime but getting a raise ok due to taxes. Either way you still get more cash
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I never understood the concept of turning down overtime but getting a raise ok due to taxes. Either way you still get more cash
Not necessarily.
If you are near the top of a bracket , and have earned near the limit, then there comes a point that one more penny will cost you thousands as you cross into the next bracket.
If you then make plenty more , you might get ahead anyhow , but you are working harder for smaller wages now.
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If you are near the top of a bracket , and have earned near the limit, then there comes a point that one more penny will cost you thousands as you cross into the next bracket.
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At that point, you reduce your gross income by investing in a traditional IRA.
Now you are in a lower bracket.
You can have your cake and eat it too, all you have to do is use your head.
If there are THOUSANDS involved in going from one bracket to another, you are already richer than God, anyway.
I am not sure that this is actually true. If it is, an IRA or some other deduction is in order.
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but then why are they not turning down pay raises. isn`t that the same principle but with less work and less overall pay even since overtime tends to payout more.
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but then why are they not turning down pay raises. isn`t that the same principle but with less work and less overall pay even since overtime tends to payout more.
It is that peculiar situation that lots of overtime causes.
It can easily become the situation that you earn a few hundred too much and loose thousands.
That is working extra for less than nothing.
A pay raise is usually more than a few hundred during the year , much more likely to make up the difference.
If you work your way into a higher tax bracket , you are working more for the government , less for yourself.
At any rate of payment , one must wonder whether the value received is in good proportion.
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From another place.
H_B
September 5, 2015, 11:54 pm
Trump is an issue at *all* because the electorate (especially GOP voters) are literally enraged about the contemptuous bait-and-switch tactics of the last several cycles. Stridently campaign on an issue (repealing Obamacare, gun rights, etc), then when elected going “pfft, you took that seriously??” and making up excuses why their jobs are rightfully sinecures that should be free from even the slightest effort of work (“It’s just not practical in the current environment to attempt to defund Planned Parenthood”).
Note that besides Trump, the *other* candidate that is receiving voter support is a medical doctor who has *also* never held political office.
Trump is out front right now because, in however crass a fashion, he is visibly combating the effete, elitist mentality of current elected officials.
H_B
H_B
September 6, 2015, 12:09 am
Case in point: the above comic. The “Establishment GOP” (ye olde Rockefeller Republicans of the GHW Bush mold from 1980) tried to make him steady down and get with the program (so they can get rid of him) by forcing him into that public Loyalty Pledge. The idea being that if he *didn’t* start taking orders, he would be portrayed as an unserious, threatening candidate that could upset the election Ross Perot-style unless voters rejected him quickly.
They do this political encirclement and instead of being crushed under it, Trump turns around and smacks them all in the face with a dead fish: pledging loyalty to the GOP “and the conservative principles it’s founded on”. He simultaneously undercut the national political machine of the GOP, re-emphasized everything he’s done as a “renegade” candidate, stripped the initiative away from them, and did so without significantly changing direction.
I don’t really like Trump, but I *love* what he’s doing to Machine politicians right now.
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/in-the-pink/
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The cartoon is funny. Trump is the sort of guy that invites ridicule, the pompous egomaniac.