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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on September 05, 2015, 09:42:48 AM

Title: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 05, 2015, 09:42:48 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/editorial/trump-a-monster-the-gop-created/2015/07/09/180812b0-2665-11e5-b621-b55e495e9b78_video.html


Trump can be quoted on both sides of some issues , his stance in 2000 was different than it is now.


   This does not prove he is a wind sock , his opinions could genuinely have evolved.

     President Obama has swapped sides on some things, Romney got this criticism too.

      This is probably just the skill of a politician , to be adaptable.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 05, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Trump is simply an ego that craves recognition. He is a manipulator who has no scruples. He will follow the law only when he sees no alternative.
He lies, he has used deceit and theatrics many times.
He does not divide people into Liberals and Conservatives.
He divides then into Winners and Losers.

He is always the Winner.

Those who oppose him are the Losers.

He is not a complicated person.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 12:39:31 PM
Now we just need a poster of our Current Community Organizer & Chief, as that was the perfect description of him.  Bravo.  Couldn't have articulated that any better
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 05, 2015, 12:42:38 PM
Your stupid opinion is duly noted, as a stupid opinion.

And it has nothing to do with the subject, and that is also stupid.

Like you.

Obsessed
Fanatical
Ignorant
Stupid.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 12:43:58 PM
And still more projection......bravo     8)
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 05, 2015, 12:48:55 PM
Project yourself, moron.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
Brilliant rhetort.......so exemplifying that of a skilled language professor of the leftst persuasion     
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 05, 2015, 01:34:20 PM
It is not my fault you were born stupid and incapable of logical thought.

The main problem with stupid people is that they are unaware that they are, in fact, stupid.

So I am here to help:

Sirs: you are stupid.

Now you know.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
...and your 99.9% erroneous opinion track record has been weighed, measured, and found wanting.  Let us know when you're ready to return to the adults' table.  We all look forward to it
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 05, 2015, 02:42:02 PM
Again. you are not sitting at the adult's table.

You are seated proudly at the dunces' table.

Tell Moe, Shemp and Larry I said "Hi!"
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 03:05:32 PM
Wash...rinse...repeat    ::) (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=19236.msg171833#msg171833)
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 05, 2015, 10:00:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icEmXdxmpUY


Is Sharpton a mentor of Trump?

Some of Trumps best friends are Liberals.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 05, 2015, 10:48:42 PM
Yes they are.  There's alot of questionable issues with the Don.....although he put a lot of it to rest when he signed his GOP only pledge
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 07, 2015, 10:31:14 AM
He can still cry "I wuz robbed!" and run as a Third Party candidate.
He has a history of weaseling out of contracts and leaving his former allies holding a bag of debts.

He has not signed the famous Grover Norquest Pledge of No new taxes.
Will the Taxed Too Much Already Tea partiers follow him? Some are surely dumb enough.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 07, 2015, 12:01:29 PM
He could but he won't.  He'd alienate far too many potential voters to go rogue at this point
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 07, 2015, 01:32:33 PM
NOT signing it is "going rogue".
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 07, 2015, 02:22:29 PM
Under your parameters, everyone has gone rogue.  Who's been asked to sign it now??    ::)   I'm referring to the pledge everyone was asked to sign CURRENTLY, not something that no one is asking anyone to sign way back when.  So, CURRENTLY, as in NOW, as in the PRESENT POLITICAL CLIMATE, he'd be losing any chance of becoming President, if he went rogue NOW. 
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 07, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
You make no sense.

Signing a pledge to not raise taxes would not lose him votes, especially in the Iowa GOP primary.

It is the same pledge. There is not a different one.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 07, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
You make no sense.

I'm making perfect sense.  When's the last time anyone has been asked to sign some no new taxes pledge??
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Religious Dick on September 08, 2015, 12:51:25 AM
Speaking of pledges...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/07/voters-reportedly-required-to-pledge-their-loyalty-before-attending-ohio-event/
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 08, 2015, 02:15:33 AM
oy vey    ::)
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 08, 2015, 08:25:06 AM
I'm making perfect sense.  When's the last time anyone has been asked to sign some no new taxes pledge??

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Grover Norquest's Pledge is an ongoing thing. All politicians are supposed to sign it to gain his approval.
The TEA in TEA PARTY stands for Taxed Enough Already. I suppose Trump doesn't sign it because he is  not soliciting funds from the various fatcats that demand compliance with Norquest.  But in the GOP  "No More Taxes" is the official position, Going Rogue is defying it. Everyone hates taxes, they think they are punishment and say so all the time. "Ooooooh, why should I be PUNISHED for my success?" is their usual cry.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: sirs on September 08, 2015, 10:38:09 AM
So, in other words, there is no current, as in now, as in presently requested pledge to sign, regarding a no new taxes......as in no one is going rogue for not signing anything that the RNC has requested everyone sign

And I know all about what the Tea Party stands for, thank you very much.  When you actually have something that has Trump going rogue, that no one else is doing at the behest of the RNC, we'll look forward to you sharing it
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 08, 2015, 07:53:09 PM
Trump can be quoted on both sides of some issues , his stance in 2000 was different than it is now.

and what politician hasn't changed positions?
Hillary...don't ask don't tell....gay marriage....Iraq invasion, corn ethanol tax, on and on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgESM7dI1kQ
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 08, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
...................... "Ooooooh, why should I be PUNISHED for my success?" is their usual cry.


  That makes a good question to be answered.

    Why when I work a lot of overtime should my receipt be shrunk by a greater factor?
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 09, 2015, 10:15:43 AM
Yes, it is a progressive tax system. If you work overtime, you will still make more than if you didn't. The tax rates are fair, and taxes are not punishment.

The concept of "smaller government", unobtainable thus far by both Democrats and Republicans alike, has as one of its major purposes the reduction of taxes. If taxes are raised, then odds are you would not get a smaller government. Trump is just an egomanaical  Big Swinging Dick that makes up his policies as he goes along: the only thing he really wants is to be President: his ego is everything: he could give a shit about the country, its people or the policies of the government, The number one only thing Trump wants is to satisfy his enormous ego by being recognized as the Greatest Big Swinging Dick of all time.

Should the impossible occur and he was elected, he would discover that it would cost a fortune to remove 11 million illegals, and that it would cause a major disruption on both sides of the border for a year or more. Most important, Congress would refuse to vote him the money to do it. Hiring enough people to handle the deportations would NOT result in a "smaller government". If this were attempted, we would see mothers being separated from their children every night on the news, we would see teenagers born in this country  suing the government. There would be utter chaos. And Trump would suddenly be seen as a puny, flaccid dick that was not long enough to swing ever again.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: kimba1 on September 12, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
I never understood the concept of turning down overtime but getting a raise ok due to taxes. Either way you still get more cash
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 13, 2015, 01:39:34 AM
I never understood the concept of turning down overtime but getting a raise ok due to taxes. Either way you still get more cash

Not necessarily.

If you are near the top of a bracket , and have earned near the limit, then there comes a point that one more penny will cost you thousands as you cross into the next bracket.

If you then make plenty more , you might get ahead anyhow , but you are working harder for smaller wages now.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 13, 2015, 01:30:18 PM

If you are near the top of a bracket , and have earned near the limit, then there comes a point that one more penny will cost you thousands as you cross into the next bracket.

=============================================
At that point, you reduce your gross income by investing in a traditional IRA.
Now you are in a lower bracket.
You can have your cake and eat it too, all you have to do is use your head.

If there are THOUSANDS involved in going from one bracket to another, you are already richer than God, anyway.
I am not sure that this is actually true. If it is, an IRA or some other deduction is in order.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: kimba1 on September 13, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
but then why are they not turning down pay raises. isn`t that the same principle but with less work and less overall pay even since overtime tends to payout more.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 13, 2015, 02:03:49 PM
but then why are they not turning down pay raises. isn`t that the same principle but with less work and less overall pay even since overtime tends to payout more.

It is that peculiar situation that lots of overtime causes.

It can easily become the situation that you earn a few hundred too much and loose thousands.

That is working extra for less than nothing.

A pay raise is usually more than a few hundred during the year , much more likely to make up the difference.

If you work your way into a higher tax bracket , you are working more for the government , less for yourself.

At any rate of payment , one must wonder whether the value received is in good proportion.
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Plane on September 13, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
From another place.
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H_B   

 September 5, 2015, 11:54 pm   


Trump is an issue at *all* because the electorate (especially GOP voters) are literally enraged about the contemptuous bait-and-switch tactics of the last several cycles. Stridently campaign on an issue (repealing Obamacare, gun rights, etc), then when elected going “pfft, you took that seriously??” and making up excuses why their jobs are rightfully sinecures that should be free from even the slightest effort of work (“It’s just not practical in the current environment to attempt to defund Planned Parenthood”).

Note that besides Trump, the *other* candidate that is receiving voter support is a medical doctor who has *also* never held political office.

Trump is out front right now because, in however crass a fashion, he is visibly combating the effete, elitist mentality of current elected officials.


H_B


H_B   

 September 6, 2015, 12:09 am   


Case in point: the above comic. The “Establishment GOP” (ye olde Rockefeller Republicans of the GHW Bush mold from 1980) tried to make him steady down and get with the program (so they can get rid of him) by forcing him into that public Loyalty Pledge. The idea being that if he *didn’t* start taking orders, he would be portrayed as an unserious, threatening candidate that could upset the election Ross Perot-style unless voters rejected him quickly.

They do this political encirclement and instead of being crushed under it, Trump turns around and smacks them all in the face with a dead fish: pledging loyalty to the GOP “and the conservative principles it’s founded on”. He simultaneously undercut the national political machine of the GOP, re-emphasized everything he’s done as a “renegade” candidate, stripped the initiative away from them, and did so without significantly changing direction.

I don’t really like Trump, but I *love* what he’s doing to Machine politicians right now.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/in-the-pink/
Title: Re: Is Trump genuine?
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 13, 2015, 05:51:37 PM
The cartoon is funny. Trump is the sort of guy that invites ridicule, the pompous egomaniac.