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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Kramer on August 25, 2008, 09:03:34 PM
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This is bull - the kid should be able to play even if he's better than the rest...
9-year-old boy told he's too good to pitch
Nine-year-old Jericho Scott is a good baseball player — too good, it turns out. The right-hander has a fastball that tops out at about 40 mph. He throws so hard that the Youth Baseball League of New Haven told his coach that the boy could not pitch any more. When Jericho took the mound anyway last week, the opposing team forfeited the game, packed its gear and left, his coach said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bby_too_good_to_pitch;_ylt=ArJn.Q5LVdeJwxDoIKRqRxes0NUE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bby_too_good_to_pitch;_ylt=ArJn.Q5LVdeJwxDoIKRqRxes0NUE)
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The wussification of America continues.
What next helmets for when you ride your bike?
Oh!
Nevermind!
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The wussification of America continues.
What next helmets for when you ride your bike?
Oh!
Nevermind!
Mandatory conflict resolution training.
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actually bike helmets really are needs
an old friend of mine did a head on with a cadilac and ended up only with a broken toe.
later on when he looked at his helmet ,more than an inch on the top was scraped off.
that could(not maybe) of been his head .
so safety laws are nothing to be ignored lightly
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but it did bring up a interesting issue .
until he actually is proven a danger he should play.
but the parents should take complete and total liability
meaning as long as the coach is willing to brief the boy`s mom the potential dangers and let the mom take the heat for everything it should be ok.
but it`s next to impossible for that to happen
no matter how much a parent will take responsibility.
the team will always end up getting sued .
legally speaking parents tend to be immune by such problems
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I grew up riding bikes without a helmet and except for the occasional eye twitch i came out fine.
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cmon bt
you know it doesn`t work that way
the helmet is just extra protection.
useless you hit stuff with your bike and get thrown often and hit your head on the pavement with no problem .
then you may have a case.
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Come to think of it, I really don't see many kids riding bikes anymore. If they'd made us suit up like quarterbacks when we were kids, I doubt I'd have been very interested, either.
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I'm trying to remember the last time i saw a sandlot ball game.
Danger Will Robinson.
Sheesh
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>:(
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I reread that article
the truth is he`s not useable in the game
if he`s really that good he shouldn`t be playing at that age level he should go up a few slots.
I mean what`s the point.
it not like adults are allowed to play little league for the very same reason.
remember if he stays it`ll be a very unfun game.
nothing wrong with the kid but he`s simply not playing in his age catagory and it`s unfair to other team
I hope I`m wrong but looks like that league is shot
the lawsuit is just not gonna be good all around.
I just don`t see a reason why he can`t just be bumped up.
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I second kimba's motion. It's the obvious solution. The kid's out of his league, as they say.
When my son was in Little League, there was a rule that the game would be called in favour of the leading team if they opened up a thirty-point lead. This would spare the losing team the embarrassment and the depression of being whipped 120 to 3, once it became obvious that's where the game was headed. Kids play for fun, and not everyone in the Little Leagues is going to be headed into the majors. The league is a service and its users are the players. They come looking for fun, not life lessons, and if there's no fun for a 9-year-old in being whipped 100 to 1, the league has to remove whatever it is that makes it not fun.
It's the same with a Little Leaguer and a 40-mph fast ball. Every kid who steps up to the plate is going to be struck out or walked. In addition, in return for the pleasure of being humiliated in every one of his at-bats, the kid has to run the risk of being hit by a 40-mph ball and seriously injured. A parent would have to be nuts to put his kid into a "game" like that.
Bumping the pitcher up to the next division is an obvious win-win solution to the problem. It's pure common sense, something that once again the conservatives who comment on this issue have proven they completely lack.
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Strange....I don't see any conservatives claiming the boy must stay in his age division. Must be another Tee lie
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<<Strange....I don't see any conservatives claiming the boy must stay in his age division. Must be another Tee lie>>
Actually, I saw Kramer, BT and yourself - - all the usual suspects - - commenting on the absurdity of not letting the kid pitch, with none of you coming up with the obvious solution of moving the kid up to the next division. Apart from the fact that NONE of you had the simple common sense to recognize the obvious solution to the problem, your objection to the decision stopping the kid from pitching meant that if you had had kids in little league, you'd be perfectly happy to have them facing off against 40-mph pitches at the age of 9. Again I ask, what planet do you folks really live on?
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The abusurdity of daring to have other kids feelings hurt by being struck out countless times was the issue. It had zip to do with claiming the child needed to be mandated to play in his age group. That was YOUR leap of illogic --> false accusation --> lie
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ok
I think I need to remind people the aboslute truth about little league and it alt sports counter parts.
it`s only meant to be fun
not truely competitive.
I know some folk will disagree
but they are totally wrong.
if you look at the history of little league the creator left it out of disgust at how ugly it became.
he wanted it to be a fun thing for kids to do .
shouldn`t that be the overriding goal?
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Let's review:
The kid is 9 years old.
He pitched in a league for 8 to 10 year olds.
Seems that he is in fact pitching in his age group. So Kimb seems to be wrong when he says he isn't playing in his age group.
They say this is an instructional league, i find this very instructive:
Jericho's coach and parents say the boy is being unfairly targeted because he turned down an invitation to join the defending league champion, which is sponsored by an employer of one of the league's administrators.
I guess the kids are learning a valid life lesson here.
It would be OK if the kid pitched for the opposition, but not OK if he pitched against them.
Harrison Bergeron deja vu.
Baseball is a competitive sport. They keep score. Championships are won, even in instructional leagues. Unless they had a pitch speed restriction in their rules prior to the start of the season, then banning the kid is nonsense and a travesty of justice.
Frankly i think the best thing that could happen to Little League would be to ban the parents.
Let the kid pitch!
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that is strange he`s getting a pass if he joins the league champion
and why is one team forfetting against that kids team but not on the champion?
now it`s sounds more like little league nonesense
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I second kimba's motion. It's the obvious solution. The kid's out of his league, as they say.
When my son was in Little League, there was a rule that the game would be called in favour of the leading team if they opened up a thirty-point lead. This would spare the losing team the embarrassment and the depression of being whipped 120 to 3, once it became obvious that's where the game was headed. Kids play for fun, and not everyone in the Little Leagues is going to be headed into the majors. The league is a service and its users are the players. They come looking for fun, not life lessons, and if there's no fun for a 9-year-old in being whipped 100 to 1, the league has to remove whatever it is that makes it not fun.
It's the same with a Little Leaguer and a 40-mph fast ball. Every kid who steps up to the plate is going to be struck out or walked. In addition, in return for the pleasure of being humiliated in every one of his at-bats, the kid has to run the risk of being hit by a 40-mph ball and seriously injured. A parent would have to be nuts to put his kid into a "game" like that.
Bumping the pitcher up to the next division is an obvious win-win solution to the problem. It's pure common sense, something that once again the conservatives who comment on this issue have proven they completely lack.
This is silly -
How should we handle Obama's loss so liberals don't develop a complex because they are losers?
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did you say losers
then whats the point of playing the game if your gonna lose.
were not talking about a kid with a small edge here
and were not talking about teenagers.
were talking about a young kid so talented that some teams are are forfetting.
yes it`s a competition but it`s not a primary goal.
and I never said he shouldn`t play
I said he should get bumped up.
how is that a problem?
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did you say losers
then whats the point of playing the game if your gonna lose.
Because losing is not predetermined.
You have to play to either win or lose.
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did you say losers then whats the point of playing the game if your gonna lose.
Kimba, with all due respect, do you follow sports much? Remember the 1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey Team? Remember the 1988 L.A Dodgers baseball team? There are so many examples of where a team has no business winning, everyone expecting them to lose, and somehow, almost magically...they win. The point in playing is having the chance to win, even when the odds are greatly against you that you won't
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I got nothing against cinderella stories but this is a different situation.
this about a talented kid who should get a chance to use his talent where it can be apreciated.
I think the problem is people think him being there will raise the level of the other kids.
yes that can happen to his team-mates.
but not possible to the other teams since thier not practicing with him.
if the lawsuits wins and the teams are not allowed to forfeit.
I`m guessing thier not gonna worry about the score and just use the time as practice sessions for the real games.
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I think the problem is people think him being there will raise the level of the other kids.
yes that can happen to his team-mates.
The only difference between hitting a 30 mph fastball and a 40 mph fastball is timing. Let a batter see a pitchers stuff enough and they'll hit them, that's part of the game.
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as I said the other team are gonna throw the game and just use him for practice.
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as I said the other team are gonna throw the game and just use him for practice.
What the other team does is up to them. Saying the boy can't play because he is too good is flat out wrong.
This is just adults trying to rig the outcome, and that's a hell of a lesson to teach kids.
They really should be ashamed of themselves.
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hey!
it`s little league
at least the parents aren`t stabbing the umpire
oh yeah that happens too
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I got nothing against cinderella stories but this is a different situation.
Again, with all due respect Kimba, Cinderlla stories start with a 9yr old phenom. This 9 year old is the 1988 Oakland A's. Just because the A's were dominating at the time, doesn't equate that the other teams pack up, and go away, or worse, say the A's can't play.
I have no problem if this kid is allowed to move up to a higher age bracket, to play. I saw that alot in my tennis playing years, 12 year olds playing in the 16 and older groups. But saying this kid CAN'T pitch, in the age group he does belong to, simply because he's so dominant, and makes the majority of opposing batters feel bad, is ludicrous
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The more i think about it the more this whole story pisses me off.
9 year old kid- the best of the best- too good it seems for the parents of opposing teams. So they rig the system and they cheat the kid of his glory days.
And who knows if he will ever have them again.
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What keeps them from haveing a rule against balls thrown faster than a certain speed?
When a ball was too fast it could be called a "ball" just like one that is too low.
Hey! why not a rule against hitting it too hard also?
Or a rule against getting too many outs on a play , doubbles no tripples.
A speed limit on running speed would enhance safety .
A rule against Lawyers attending games might be the best rule.
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we have to wait for someone to get hurt for that to happen
so far it`s not the rules that stopping the kid it`s the effect of his talent.
due to the part that teams are forfetting to not bothering to play against him.
but as time goes on people keep saying we shouldn`t care about how it effect a bunch of loser kids.
but here`s the part(thank you BT) people are not addressing.
the kids is not allowed to play because he won`t play for the winning team.
somehow we are ignoring that detail.
I still stand by my statement this game is meant to be fun period.
but the real issue is this game is corrupt
and most of the people involved are not to be trusted