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3DHS / Trump's Deals Rely on Being Creative with the Truth.
« on: July 17, 2016, 03:13:09 PM »

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Donald Trump’s Deals Rely on Being Creative With the Truth

By DAVID BARSTOWJULY 16, 2016
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Donald J. Trump at a campaign event this month in Virginia. A survey of his four decades of wheeling and dealing reveals an operatic record of dissembling and deception. Credit Damon Winter/The New York Times

There was the time Donald J. Trump told Larry King that he had been paid more than $1 million to give a speech about his business acumen when in fact he was paid $400,000. Or the time he sought a bank loan claiming a net worth of $3.5 billion in 2004, four times as much as what the bank found when it checked his math. Or the time he boasted that membership to Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, N.Y., cost $300,000 when the actual initiation fee was $200,000. Or the time he bragged on CNBC about his new Trump International Hotel and Tower in Las Vegas, claiming, “We have 1,282 units, and they sold out in less than a week.” As Mr. Trump knew, more than 300 units had not been sold.

Confronted in a court case about this last untruth, Mr. Trump was anything but chagrined. “I’m talking to a television station,” he said. “We do want to put the best spin on the property.”

As Mr. Trump prepares to claim the Republican nomination for president this week, he and his supporters are sure to laud his main calling card — his long, operatic record as a swaggering business tycoon. And without question, there will be successes aplenty to highlight, from his gleaming golden high-rises to his well-regarded golf resorts, hit TV shows and best-selling books.

But a survey of Mr. Trump’s four decades of wheeling and dealing also reveals an equally operatic record of dissembling and deception, some of it unabashedly confirmed by Mr. Trump himself, who nearly 30 years ago first extolled the business advantages of “truthful hyperbole.” Indeed, based on the mountain of court records churned out over the span of Mr. Trump’s career, it is hard to find a project he touched that did not produce allegations of broken promises, blatant lies or outright fraud.

Under the intense scrutiny of a presidential election, many of those allegations have already become familiar campaign fodder: the Trump University students and Trump condo buyers who say they were fleeced; the public servants from New Jersey to Scotland who now say they rue the zoning approvals, licenses or tax breaks they gave based on Mr. Trump’s promises; the small-time contractors who say Mr. Trump concocted complaints about their work to avoid paying them; the infuriated business partners who say Mr. Trump concealed profits or ignored contractual obligations; the business journalists and stock analysts who say Mr. Trump smeared them for critical coverage.

Taken as a whole, though, an examination of Mr. Trump’s business career reveals persistent patterns in the way Mr. Trump bends or breaks the truth — patterns that may already feel familiar to those watching his campaign.

First and foremost is Mr. Trump’s tendency toward the self-aggrandizing fib — as if it were not impressive enough to be paid $400,000 for a speech. What also emerges is a nearly reflexive habit of telling his target audience precisely what he thinks it wants to hear — such as promising Trump University students they will learn all his real estate secrets from his “handpicked” instructors. And finally, there is the pattern already deeply familiar to his political opponents — making spurious claims against adversaries under Mr. Trump’s oft-stated theory that the best defense is a scorched-earth offense.

Equally striking is his Houdiniesque ability to wiggle away from all but the most skilled and determined efforts to corner him in an apparent lie. In interviews, lawyers who have tangled with Mr. Trump in court cases are sometimes reduced to sputtering, astonished rage, calling him “borderline pathological” and “the Michelangelo of deception” as they attempt to describe the ease with which Mr. Trump weaves his own versions of reality.

“He’s a bully, and bullies aren’t known for their veracity,” said Richard C. Seltzer, a retired senior partner at the law firm Kaye Scholer who confronted Mr. Trump in three real estate lawsuits.

In a telephone interview on Friday, Mr. Trump defended his integrity as a businessman — “I shoot very straight” — and argued that those who accuse him of acting in bad faith are often the same people he has outmaneuvered in deals.

“What, you’re going to quote people that I’ve beat? Are you going to quote people that I out-dealt?” he asked, adding, “I’ll give you hundreds of names of people that have dealt with me that say I’m very honest.”

Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, is already hard at work making the case that Mr. Trump’s truth-challenged business record is a harbinger of how he would mislead from the Oval Office. Her campaign has even put up a none-too-subtle website: www.artofthesteal.biz.

Mr. Trump’s business record may help explain why various fact-checkers have barely been able to keep pace with his false claims on the campaign trail. PolitiFact has labeled 34 of Mr. Trump’s assertions “Pants on Fire” lies. As of July 1, The Washington Post had fact-checked 46 statements by Mr. Trump. It gave 70 percent of them its worst rating, four Pinocchios — a record so abysmal that the newspaper recently compiled a video of what it called “Donald Trump’s most outrageous four-Pinocchio claims.”

The taxonomy of Mr. Trump’s business deceptions has been the subject of legal and journalistic scrutiny for decades. A Fortune magazine article from 2000 memorably described Mr. Trump’s “astonishing ability to prevaricate” this way: “But when Trump says he owns 10 percent of the Plaza Hotel, understand that what he actually means is that he has the right to 10 percent of the profit if it’s ever sold. When he says he’s building a ‘90-story building’ next to the U.N., he means a 72-story building that has extra-high ceilings. And when he says his casino company is the ‘largest employer in the state of New Jersey,’ he actually means to say it is the eighth largest.”

The casino magnate Steve Wynn, a sometimes friend and sometimes foe of Mr. Trump’s, took up the subject of Mr. Trump’s honesty in an interview with New York magazine. “His statements to people like you, whether they concern us and our projects or our motivations or his own reality or his own future or his own present you have seen over the years have no relation to truth or fact,” Mr. Wynn said.
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Mr. Trump in 2005 at the ribbon-cutting ceremony of Trump International Hotel and Tower in Las Vegas. He exaggerated about the number of units that sold in a week. Credit Ethan Miller/Getty Images
‘Truthful Hyperbole’

Some of the earliest documented examples of Mr. Trump’s deceptive business tactics come from none other than Mr. Trump, who in books and in interviews sometimes seems to delight in describing the brazen bluffs and well-timed trickery he used to claw his way to the upper echelons of New York City’s cutthroat real estate world.

“You have to understand where I was coming from,” Mr. Trump wrote in his 1987 best-seller, “The Art of the Deal.” “While there are certainly honorable people in the real estate business, I was more accustomed to the sort of people with whom you don’t want to waste the effort of a handshake because you know it’s meaningless.”

Mr. Trump was particularly proud of a stratagem he employed in 1982, when he was trying to entice Holiday Inn to invest in a casino he was building in Atlantic City. The board of directors decided to visit Atlantic City, which worried Mr. Trump because he had precious little actual construction to show off. So Mr. Trump ordered his construction supervisor to cram every bulldozer and dump truck he could find into the nearly vacant construction site.
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I would rather the NYT stop the pussyfooting and produce a headline for this article more along the lines of: Donald Trump Is A Liar.
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Yes, and other candidates were truthful like Jesus. Atleast Trump is honest.
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“What the bulldozers and dump trucks did wasn’t important, I said, so long as they did a lot of it. If they got some actual work accomplished, all the better, but if necessary, he should have the bulldozers dig up dirt from one side of the site and dump it on the other.”

A week later, when Mr. Trump escorted the Holiday Inn executives to the site, one board member wanted to know why a worker was filling a hole he had just dug. “This was difficult for me to answer, but fortunately, this board member was more curious than he was skeptical,” Mr. Trump wrote, boasting that weeks later Holiday Inn agreed to invest in his casino.

“That’s called ‘business,’” Mr. Trump said on Friday of the episode.

In court cases against Mr. Trump — USA Today counted 3,500 lawsuits involving Mr. Trump, and Mr. Trump estimates he has testified more than 100 times — plaintiffs’ lawyers frequently return to the same two paragraphs from “The Art of the Deal.”

“I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”

In depositions, lawyers have repeatedly probed for the limits of Mr. Trump’s “truthful hyperbole,” or, as one lawyer framed it, the distinction Mr. Trump makes between “innocent exaggeration” and “guilty exaggeration.”
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The now-defunct Trump University has left a long trail of customers saying that they were defrauded. Credit Thos Robinson/Getty Images

For example, in the now-infamous Trump University litigation, Mr. Trump was asked in a deposition about a script that had been prepared for Trump University instructors. According to the script, the instructors were supposed to tell their students the following: “I remember one time Mr. Trump said to us over dinner, he said, ‘Real estate is the only market that, when there’s a sale going on, people run from the store.’ You don’t want to run from the store.”

No such dinners ever took place, Mr. Trump acknowledged. In fact, Mr. Trump struggled to identify a single one of the instructors he claimed to have handpicked, even after he was shown their photographs. Nonetheless, Mr. Trump was not bothered by the script’s false insinuation of real estate secrets shared over chummy dinners. Asked if this example constituted “innocent exaggeration,” Mr. Trump replied, “Yes, I’d say that’s an innocent exaggeration.”

On Friday, Mr. Trump argued that the script might fall under the legal concept of “puffery” — which many legal dictionaries define as an exaggeration or statement that “no reasonable person” would take as factual. And in any event, he continued, the true sinners in the Trump University case are the students who sued him even after giving rave reviews in their written evaluations of the seminars. “I think that’s dishonest,” he said.

Mr. Trump has been repeatedly accused of bringing false legal claims to avoid paying debts and evade contractual obligations. As far back as 1983, a New York City housing court judge ruled that Mr. Trump filed a “spurious” lawsuit to harass a tenant into vacating a Trump building.

Then there was the case Mr. Trump brought against Barbara Corcoran, the real estate broker best known for her appearances on “Shark Tank.” In the mid-1990s, Mr. Trump owed millions of dollars to Ms. Corcoran for helping him secure financing for a development. But when New York magazine published a cover story about the troubled project — “Trump’s Near-Death Experience” — Mr. Trump sued Ms. Corcoran, accusing her and her associates of sharing damaging information with the magazine and thus violating a confidentiality agreement. He refused to pay her the millions he owed, claiming her breach had gravely damaged his business.

At trial, Mr. Trump was unable to produce a single document showing harm to his business. But his certitude never wavered, even after Ms. Corcoran’s lawyer, Mr. Seltzer, confronted him with article after article in which Mr. Trump himself had discussed with reporters much of the same “confidential” information he accused Ms. Corcoran’s team of divulging.

“There is something very belligerent about the way he presents facts, as if he thinks nobody will have the balls to stand up to him,” Mr. Seltzer said in an interview. (In dismissing Mr. Trump’s suit against Ms. Corcoran, the judge said the only damages he could identify were to Mr. Trump’s “bruised ego.”)
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The Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County. Mr. Trump embellished the cost of a membership. Credit Mike Segar/Reuters
Well-Timed Memory Lapses

In Friday’s interview, Mr. Trump denied filing frivolous court cases, insisting, “I’ve won a massive majority of the litigation I’ve been involved in.” He pointed to the USA Today survey of his 3,500 legal cases. Although the newspaper could not determine who had prevailed in the vast majority of the cases, it did find Mr. Trump the clear winner in 450 suits and the clear loser in 38.

And, indeed, for all of the litigation Mr. Trump has attracted or spawned, for all of the times he has been accused of ruinous dishonesty, the legal and regulatory record is surprisingly bare of official findings by judges, juries or regulators that Mr. Trump engaged in perjury or improper deception or actual fraud.

A rare exception came after Mr. Trump decided to demolish a department store to make way for his Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan. Mr. Trump’s demolition contractor hired about 200 unauthorized Polish laborers, paying them as little as $4 an hour to work 12 hours a day, seven days a week. The case ended up in federal court after some workers were shortchanged even these wages.

Mr. Trump protested that he knew nothing about the use of unauthorized workers — even though workers testified that they saw him visiting the site and some witnesses said that Mr. Trump and the executive he assigned to oversee the demolition were well aware of what was going on. In 1991, a federal judge, Charles E. Stewart Jr., ruled that despite Mr. Trump’s denials, there was “strong evidence” that he and his subordinates and his contractor had conspired to hire the Polish workers and deprive them of employment benefits. He awarded them $325,415 in damages.
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But in case after case, Mr. Trump has displayed a special talent for turning what should be cold hard facts into semantic mush. Perhaps the most famous example of this skill came when Mr. Trump was asked under oath a seemingly straightforward question: Had he ever lied about his net worth? Mr. Trump responded, “My net worth fluctuates and it goes up and down with markets and with attitudes and with feelings, even my own feelings.”

So, he explained in a deposition, when he said membership costs $300,000 to his Westchester golf club, that included the $200,000 initiation fee plus every cent he guessed that a member might spend on annual dues over the next 20 or 30 years. In other words, “The way I say it is more accurate.” And when he told Larry King he was paid more than $1 million for a speech, it was not his fault if viewers failed to realize he was including not just his $400,000 speaking fee but also the hundreds of thousands of dollars he assumed must have been spent promoting his appearance.

Part of what makes Mr. Trump such an elusive target is that his paper trail is often minimal. Mr. Trump has repeatedly testified that he does not use computers. He says he also throws away his day planner each month, and just last year he testified that he did not own a smartphone. “Unlike Hillary Clinton, I’m not a big email fan,” he said, leaving open the question of how he posts to Twitter.

Mr. Trump is also adept at deflecting blame to his staff. In two of his books, Mr. Trump made the startling and, as it turned out, bogus claim that he had once performed the remarkable feat of climbing out from under more than $9 billion in debt. Mr. Trump blamed his ghostwriter for the mistake. Asked if he reads his books before publication, Mr. Trump said, “I read it as quickly as I can because of time constraints.”
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Mr. Trump is also the beneficiary of miraculously well-timed memory lapses. In suit after suit, the man who claims to possess one of world’s best memories suddenly seems to have chronic memory loss when asked about critical facts or events.

Such was the case when Mr. Trump filed a libel lawsuit against Timothy L. O’Brien, the author of “TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald.” Among other things, Mr. Trump asserted that “TrumpNation” cost him a “deal made in heaven” with a group of Italian investors, men he had met and who were on the brink of signing a business partnership that would have made him hundreds of millions of dollars. Their names? He could not recall. “TrumpNation” also cost him a hotel deal with Russian investors, he said. He could not remember their names, either. He was certain the book also ruined a deal with Turkish investors. Again, he could not recall any names. Polish investors also got cold feet after they read Mr. O’Brien’s book. Their names escaped him, too. The book also scared off investors from Ukraine. Alas, he could not think of their names either.

Mr. Trump’s lawsuit was dismissed.

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3DHS / Pen Jillette's Celebrity Apprentice secrets
« on: July 14, 2016, 03:34:21 PM »

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3DHS / Trump is a vile thief and fraudster.
« on: July 14, 2016, 09:00:13 AM »
We should prevent the election of that phony Trump at all costs.

Imagine a president starting his term in court being sued by hundreds of people he defrauded with his phony "university."

 

That is what you will get with Trump.

 

AT most, Hillary used her own computer just as each one of us uses ours. We regularly delete crap, It is normal behavior. She did this for convenience.

 

Trump bilked all those fools with his get rich quick phony "University" for only one reason: to get their money. If he was half as rich as he claims to be, he would not have needed to do this.

 

 He was charging people up to $30,000 or more for some sort of mentoring service to gain access, not to him, Trump the "genius" but to some inexperience fraudulent dorks he hired.

 

The main bits of advice are to find ignorant old people who have no idea of what their homes are work and buy them for a pittance. The you find some sucker and unload them as fast as you can.

 

There are books that describe in detail how to make money flipping houses. There are no new techniques.  But Trump was doing what he is doing now: catering to ignorant, functionally illiterate fools and bilking them of every dollar they own or can borrow.

 

Who wants to be led by such an evil, vile thief?

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3DHS / The Donald is New Coke pretending to be Old Coke
« on: July 12, 2016, 10:31:22 AM »
All male presidential aspirants are to some degree charismatic and competitive.

Bernie does not, however, discuss the size of his hands or pass out stupid hats with simplistic slogans on them. He is competing with logic and ideas, not his own personality. Trump has had opinions on both sides of every important issue before this country. He is not about issues: he is only about him.

I am the Donald! Vote for me!   It will be like riding in a new Cadillac, 700 series Beemer, S class Mercedes-Benz! I will be great, and my Dolandish greatness will rub off on you! You will not believe how great you will feel! Better than the guy in the Axe commercials!

Hillary is not trying to be a Great Swinging Dick. She is a woman, and women cannot do that effectively. Fiorina tied, and we saw how that fizzled.

I do not think she has the charisma with crowds that Bill Clinton has, but one on one and with other leaders, she has all she needs.


All effective political leaders need to have a desire to compete with others and possess charisma.

Our most effective president was Lyndon Johnson, and he was both charismatic and competitive. he was also 6'4", which was a serious advantage.

However, he had actual specific goals and used his talents to carry them out.And that is what he did, and he did it better than JFK ever could have. Of course, JFK had the looks and the appearance of vitality that LBJ lacked.

Trumps' goal is to be recognized as the Great Swinging Dick. Issues are simply a way of telling the world "Look at Me! Look at Meeee! Stop looking at my stubby little fingers, they don't mean a thing!"

This country could never elect James Madison today. He was a tiny 5'4" tall pipsqueak who never weighed more than 100 pounds, and was dominated by Dolly, his wife. He took a lot of ridicule over that even in those different times.

Still, he was responsible for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The Donald cannot give a coherent speech without reading it off a teleprompter. He cannot stay on the same subject. He constantly flies off on how it is all about HIM.

It is not about him, and it is now about the mythical past greatness that he thinks this country has lost and needs to return to. It is about this country and its future, and no matter what  "Time of Greatness"  (1776, 1812, 1865, 1918, 1928, 1945, 1960, 1980, whenever) we will never return to that time, we can get all nostalgic about sitting in the cool evening on the porch swing with Grandpa drinking Old Coke, but that is emotional, not logical, and all previous times past will be over and done with. Time does not move backwards, ever.

Women in our culture cannot project their personalities the way that men do. That explains why we have not had even any female presidential candidates before. That is why Fiorina was a flop, both as a Presidential and a senatorial candidate: she tried to do what Trump did, and it did not work, because coming from a woman, the phoniness was too apparent.

When Trump says Hillary is corrupt, he is really saying "every woman bleeds" and we just cannot entrust the nation to a president who menstruates.

And really, using one's own personal computer is something we all do. That is not corruption, nor should be be considered criminal. It was only something that could have been a danger to the nation, but never was.

All presidents need to be egotists to some degree to be elected and effective. But with The Donald, the ego is all there is. He is New Coke pretending to be Old Coke, and no Coke has ever been good for us, or anyone.

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3DHS / What is the result of endless war?
« on: July 09, 2016, 09:57:08 AM »
You end up with crazy snipers who are excellent shots and kill lots more citizens.


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3DHS / Yard saling in the Magic City
« on: July 06, 2016, 09:54:25 AM »
I will buy bargains on the spot, but I will not put money down on a chance to buy something later. I will sign up for Rainy Day coupons at stores like K Mart if it is a really good deal, but I would not do that online, because with online deals you do not know who you are dealing with. Of course, if the item was a firearm, I don't think I would order one of those online at all. There are far too many shady characters selling guns. And I suppose ammo as well. A guy I met in a garage sale in Hialeah had four shoe boxes of ancient ammo. "Take it all for $10",he said. I was only looking at it. I have no more need of ammo than a breast pump or a truss. I have seen many of those as well.

I have only seen a couple of pistols at yard sales in the past 25 years, and  a LOT of flare guns for sale by people with boats.

I never buy the extended warranty when offered, not even on refurb electronics, and it turns out that it would never have been a better deal to do so, since either the device arrives defective or it lasts far beyond any warranty.  HP's online service, by the way, is far too expensive. I have had two really good printers from them (black ink only), but the last three were awful. Paper jams galore, and even the YouTube videos on how to fix them were inadequate. I now have an Epson Artisan 835 with a continuous ink attachment that always works. I bought it used on EBay from a professor with a Chinese name at UNC.

I love yard sales for bargains. Only occasionally have I bought something that does not work and never anything I paid over $10 for. No one should ever pay retail for some things. Car Wax, picture frames, baseball hats, shoes, wall clocks and costume jewelry.  Here in Miami houses normally lack both attics and basements, so storage space is limited. A lot of the best yard sale finds are gifts that were rarely or never used.  People don't want to donate them and hate regifting them.

Rich neighborhoods are best for yard sales, because rich people need the  space. Poor people want money and will ask for more for things. Plus many times, they are selling things rescued from trash pick up day.  There are a lot of Haitians that cruise yard sales who people hate to do business with because Haitians when they are buying try to lower the price by offering a pittance with a sour expression on their faces and act like the item was trash.  Haitians when selling act the other way, like they are selling the crown jewels. I have spent some time watching Haitians buying and selling to other Haitians both in the US and in the Dominican Republic and concluded that it is a part of the culture. In the DR, a lot of the veggie sellers in the market are Haitians, and the most successful ones are the ones that smile and offer reasonable prices. I imagine that many of them were born in the DR. Not all Haitians behave in the same way.

The ideal place for yard sales is Coral Gables, because the streets are not numbered and the names are a hodgepodge of Spanish and Italian names with no particular system, and the only way to find an address is with a GPS or a map. Haitians who buy to resell never show up in the Gables. They are fond of large SUVs but I guess they do not know how to use the GPS. So there is less competition.

I rarely see American Black people at yard sales. There are not many Dominicans, Central Americans or Mexicans, and only a few Cubans. In Mexico and the DR people tend to buy used stuff only from Pawnshops, like the Montepio in Mexico run by the Mexican government. You can buy authentic Spanish conquistador armor and all sorts of stuff there. Once I saw a lifesize statue of Socrates that looked like marble.

There are some regular yard sale junkies. There is one guy I see all the time, asking about gold and silver coins and jewelry. I have yet to see anyone tell him they have such stuff.  Poor people do not have Kugerrands and gold Rolexes and rich people know that no one brings that much money to a yard sale. But I guess he must find something, because I have been seeing him for the past six years or so.

I usually collect all the stuff and ask for a price for everything. If it seems fair, I don't make a counteroffer. If they want too much, I say that I  am over budget for the week, smile and make a counteroffer, about half the time this works. When it doesn't work, I  try to find what the overvalued item is and buy the rest. People who have retail stores are the hardest to deal with. They like to ask "do you know what XXX wants for that?" and I say, "yeah, but that is why I am looking for it in a yard sale."  XXX is always some Mall store whose doors I darken only out of curiosity.  Bargaining is best done Mexican style: joke around, hold it up to your ear and ask "¿Tiene radio?", smile and start sentences with the word seriamente. In Mexico this does not actually mean sincerity, it means ironic sincerity. Bargaining in Mexican markets can be a lot of fun. Americans tend to be either too aggressive or too inexperienced to have any fun at haggling. 

When I sold Mexican guitars and  velvet Elvis paintings in Albuquerque, I was in the same place for Saturday and Sunday. When people made lowball offers, on Saturday, I told them to return on Sunday at 4PM, and I would meet that offer then. Only occasionally did anyone actually return and only a couple of times did they find that I still had the item.  Many times. the guy would buy the painting at my price. I never had to haggle over guitars. Guitars players would play a few riffs and either buy it or leave it. Price is a minor thing when it comes to musical instruments, I think. I bought them from a factory in Juarez and they were better than you could find on the street because I provided American made strings, that had a lot better action than the usual cheapo Mexican strings. There are a couple of factories that have really good strings in Mexico, but I did not know about them until three years later when I met my Mexican Mariachi pal, Guadalupe Grande. That was the name on his cedula, believe it or not. Grande is not a common surname in Mexico, and Guadalupe is usually a woman's name. I think his full name was Mario Guadalupe Grande Montoya or something like that. I met him in Guadalajara in a guitar shop.

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3DHS / Time to belly7 up to the bar
« on: June 22, 2016, 09:39:47 AM »
All you Hillaryhaters, it's time to donate to the Republican Party and The Donald.
He will match your contributions... or is he says.

And because he is a good businessman, he is makihng a profit on every flight of his plane and every bash he throws at Mar A Lago.

And it's COMPLETELY LEGAL!

The Donald needs reactionary ratbag rightwing cash! The Party needs it even more!  Donate NOW or be prepared to salute President Hillary!

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3DHS / God's Song Randy Newman
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3DHS / Trump lies and shows his ignorance
« on: June 14, 2016, 10:49:51 AM »
Trump incorrectly claimed that Omar Mateen was born in Afghanistan,. This is not true and  Trump either knoew this ands lied, or is just effing ignorant. Then he says tha6t Masteen PARENTS should have been excluded.

This is important because  there is NO WAY Immigration can exclude a qualified refugee from the country based on what his UNBORN CHILDREN might become.

Omar Mateen was born in the USA. Immigration could not exclude him. His father is not a terrorist or a bad person, and was not one when he was admitted.

Trump says all Muslims must be excluded "until we figure this out". What is there to figure out?  How to predict what some immigrant's yet unborn  child might become?

Trump's speech is both inaccurate and  ignorant. Trump is either smart enough to know that he is spewing nonsense or he knowingly spews it to get  the rabble, the dimwits ans the lumpenproletarians  riled up. Either way, it shows how totally INCOMPETENT and UNFIT this schmuck is to be president of this country.

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