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Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« on: March 01, 2011, 12:11:27 AM »
Consumer Reports: GM’s Volt ‘doesn’t really make a lot of sense’

DAVID SHEPARDSON
Detroit News Washington Bureau

Washington — Consumer Reports offered a harsh initial review of the Chevrolet Volt, questioning whether General Motors Co.'s flagship vehicle makes economic "sense."The extended-range plug-in electric vehicle is on the cover of the April issue — the influential magazine's annual survey of vehicles — but the GM vehicle comes in for criticism.

"When you are looking at purely dollars and cents, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. The Volt isn't particularly efficient as an electric vehicle and it's not particularly good as a gas vehicle either in terms of fuel economy," said David Champion, the senior director of Consumer Reports auto testing center at a meeting with reporters here. "This is going to be a tough sell to the average consumer."

The magazine said in its testing in Connecticut during a harsh winter, its Volt is getting 25 to 27 miles on electric power alone.

GM spokesman Greg Martin noted that it's been an extremely harsh winter — and as a Volt driver he said he's getting 29-33 miles on electric range. But he noted that in more moderate recent weather, the range jumped to 40 miles on electric range or higher.

Champion believes a hybrid, such as the Toyota Prius, may make more sense for some trips.

"If you drive about 70 miles, a Prius will actually get you more miles per gallon than the Volt does," Champion said.

But GM has noted that most Americans can avoid using gasoline for most regular commuting with the Volt, while its gasoline engine can allow the freedom to travel farther, if needed.

The magazine has put about 2,500 miles on its Volt. It paid $48,700, including a $5,000 markup by a Chevy dealer.

Champion noted the Volt is about twice as expensive as a Prius.

He was said the five hour time to recharge the Volt was "annoying" and was also critical of the power of the Volt heating system.

"You have seat heaters, which keep your body warm, but your feet get cold and your hands get cold," Champion said.

Consumer Reports will release a full road test of the Volt later this year and will update it.

Champion praised the heater on the all-electric Nissan Leaf - which Consumer Reports borrowed from the Japanese automaker -- but said it also got very short ranges in very cold weather.

On one commute, his range in a Leaf was at 43 miles when he turned onto an eight-mile stretch of highway, but it fell from 43 to 16 miles after eight miles at 70 mph.

"If it keeps on going down at this rate, will I get to work," Champion said.

Champion said in an interview he thinks the Volt "will sell the quantity that they want to sell to the people that really want it."

Despite his criticism of the Volt, Champion praised its acceleration and acknowledged that under certain driving cycles, consumers could mostly avoid using gasoline. The magazine noted the Volt is nicely equipped and has a "taut yet supple ride."

But he said there are a lot of trade-offs.

"They are going to live with the compromises the vehicle delivers," Champion said. "When you look at it from a purely logical point of view, it doesn't make an awful lot of sense."

Before Consumer Reports decides whether to recommend the Volt, it needs data from at least 100 subscribers who own one, and a year of reliability data.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 07:45:14 AM »
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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 11:23:06 AM »
How many of us live less than 15 miles from our workplace?

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 11:28:47 AM »
How many of us live less than 15 miles from our workplace?

then buy a bike, moped, or Camry and save thousands. Volt is $40,000+, Toyota Camry $17,000 NEW! Moped, $4,000 or take the bus, hitchhike, walk but never by a GM car.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 11:34:53 AM »
What you are right about is that we should each make our transportation solutions a good fit for ourselves.

There are probly a few of us who could buy a volt and never again buy gas, but to be a success the volt has to price point and repay its buyer in less time.

So can it be made cheaper nd still be good for GM?

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 01:15:31 PM »
What you are right about is that we should each make our transportation solutions a good fit for ourselves.

There are probly a few of us who could buy a volt and never again buy gas, but to be a success the volt has to price point and repay its buyer in less time.

So can it be made cheaper nd still be good for GM?

what makes a successful company is building products that people need and will buy. Or else spend a ton of money marketing a new concept. I don't think Taxpayers should pay huge sums for GM to promote a piece of shit hardly anybody wants or needs. What is this car doing to cut down on so-called Global Warming or reducing greenhouse gasses or reducing energy consumption or making our air cleaner? Still requires power plants to bring energy to the car. Power Plants burn fuel just like cars.

Being a government worker surely you see the wasteful spending. At NAS North Island they spend tens of thousands for waterless toilets, now a few short years later they have been replaced with water toilets again. That a dumb Obama idea just like the Volt. Same thing.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 03:43:14 PM »
The Chevy Cruze is built on the same platform as the Volt, and is competitive with the Camry at about the same price.

I say let people decide for themselves what they want to drive. The Volt has won Car of the Year awards from Automobile and Car & Driver. It has a number of breakthrough innovations.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2011, 02:39:09 AM »
 I agree that tax money ought not be promoteing a product, if it is any good the usual advertisements ought to be enough.

If I ever buy one , it will be a used one , probly in need of some work.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 11:34:53 AM »
Has GM done more than the usual advertising? I do not think that they advertise any more now than they did previously.

Every car company promotes fancy and innovative cars to get the public into the showrooms to buy less expensive vehicles, it is a standard procedure. GM is now making a profit, so I would say that their ads are funded out of profits.

There are innovations in the Volt that are an improvement on the Prius, and they will be used in better electric cars to come.


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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 11:27:14 AM »
GM sold a whopping 281 Volts in Feb. No wonder, look who is there their CEO.
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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2011, 01:05:33 PM »
here the part that should be address--5 hour charging. how many of us have trouble keep our cell phones charged?

on another article about electric cars suggest to avoid this problem is simply have two cars and always have one fully charged at home.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 01:43:47 PM »
here the part that should be address--5 hour charging. how many of us have trouble keep our cell phones charged?

on another article about electric cars suggest to avoid this problem is simply have two cars and always have one fully charged at home.

Maybe AF1 should go battery powered, and the limo too.

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Re: Only a moron would buy a GM Volt
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2011, 12:54:09 PM »