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Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« on: April 14, 2011, 01:32:30 AM »

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Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
Rome? The Associated Press
Published Tuesday, Apr. 05, 2011 7:58AM EDT
Last updated Tuesday, Apr. 05, 2011 7:58PM EDT
Italian researchers said Tuesday they will dig up bones in a Florence convent to try and identify the remains of a Renaissance woman long believed to be the model for the Mona Lisa.

If successful, the research might help ascertain the identity of the woman depicted in Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece ? a mystery that has puzzled scholars and art lovers for centuries and generated countless theories.

The project launched Tuesday aims to locate the remains of Lisa Gherardini, the wife of a rich silk merchant named Francesco del Giocondo.

Tradition has long linked Mr. Gherardini to the painting, which is known in Italian as ?La Gioconda? and in French as ?La Joconde.? Giorgio Vasari, a 16th-century artist and biographer of Leonardo, wrote that Mr. da Vinci painted a portrait of Mr. del Giocondo's wife.

Ms. Gherardini was born in 1479. A few years ago, an amateur Italian historian said he had found a death certificate showing she died on July 15, 1542, and her final resting place, the Convent of St. Ursula in central Florence.

That's where the digging will begin later his month, said Silvano Vinceti, an art historian and the project leader.

The project falls within a current trend of employing CSI-like methods in art history, for example to find out about an artist's technique, discover details hidden in a painting or even learn about an artist's life or death. The group led by Mr. Vinceti has already reconstructed the faces of some Italian artists on the basis of their skulls, and last year it said it had identified the bones of Caravaggio and discovered a possible cause of death, 400 years after the artist died in mysterious circumstances.

The Mona Lisa project uses some of the same techniques applied to the Caravaggio investigation.

First, the researchers will use ground-penetration radar to search for hidden tombs inside the convent. Then, they will search the bones to identify ones that are compatible with Ms. Gherardini's ? bones that belonged to a woman who died in her 60s in the period in question. The group will also look for specific characteristics such as traces of possible diseases or bone structure to match what is known of Ms. Gherardini's life.

If such bones are identified, the researchers will conduct carbon dating and extract DNA, which will be compared to that extracted from the bones of Ms. Gherardini's children, some of whom are buried in a basilica also in Florence.

Finally, if skull fragments are found, depending on how well-preserved they are, the group might attempt a facial reconstruction. This step will be crucial to ascertain whether Ms. Gherardini was indeed the model for the Mona Lisa and thus the owner of that famous smile.

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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 12:08:10 AM »
I am thinking that her smile was more due to the talent of Leonardo than her bone structure.
It will be amusing to hear the results of this, and probably the cost of doing all this will be offset by increased tourist traffic.
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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 10:34:51 AM »
Come on.....

this?


Or this?

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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 11:32:47 AM »
Come back in 300 years with the same question and check to see which is hanging in the Louvre.

The genius in the Mona Lisa is the painting itself, not the subject.
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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2011, 01:29:24 PM »
Come back in 300 years with the same question and check to see which is hanging in the Louvre.
The genius in the Mona Lisa is the painting itself, not the subject.

Now if I was XO (mr literal) I might say..."it would be impossible for me to come back in 300 years because I most likely will not be alive".....but since I am not XO and would not divert away from the subject with mr literalism I wont do that....  ;)

Oh and by the way....beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2011, 02:16:05 PM »
Come back in 300 years with the same question and check to see which is hanging in the Louvre.
The genius in the Mona Lisa is the painting itself, not the subject
.

Now if I was XO (mr literal) I might say..."it would be impossible for me to come back in 300 years because I most likely will not be alive".....but since I am not XO and would not divert away from the subject with mr literalism I wont do that....  ;)

touche'


Oh and by the way....beauty is in the eye of the beholder!



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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2011, 05:12:05 PM »
I'm am not opposed to beauty or beautiful women, but the Mona Lisa is an extraordinary painting, not a woman.

I believe that Sophia Loren often has been photographed with  a rather nice enigmatic smile, though. I have not seen any paintings of this, just photos.

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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2011, 06:18:51 PM »
dat moan-uh-lisa may be all fancy & stuff
but i dern shootin woodn't hang it my den...dats for sure
keep it in duh museleum
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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 06:46:22 PM »
If her face is reconstructed from the skull do you suppose that it will be recogniseable?

To make the test fair we ought to use a reconstruction artist who doesn't know that the skull is possibly from the La Giaconda model.

http://gravis.cs.unibas.ch/publications/2009/DAGM_face_predict.pdf

Perhaps even mechanical.

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Re: Italians plan to dig up bones of possible Mona Lisa model
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 10:40:48 PM »
I don't know that this is a test. It is somewhat macabre to disinter an artist's model or anyone for this sort of thing, but if it is okay with the family of the deceased, I can't see why it should be banned.

A reconstructed face would probably NOT be smiling, just capable of smiling in the manner of the famous portrait. This could be done by digitizing the model in 3-D, I imagine.

I saw the Mona Lisa at the Louvre. It was in a cage and smaller than I had expected.
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