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Oral Roberts U. in the news
« on: October 06, 2007, 06:03:32 PM »
Scandal Brewing at Oral Roberts U.

By JUSTIN JUOZAPAVICIUS ? 1 day ago

TULSA, Okla. (AP) ? Twenty years ago, televangelist Oral Roberts said he was reading a spy novel when God appeared to him and told him to raise $8 million for Roberts' university, or else he would be "called home."

Now, his son, Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts, says God is speaking again, telling him to deny lurid allegations in a lawsuit that threatens to engulf this 44-year-old Bible Belt college in scandal.

Richard Roberts is accused of illegal involvement in a local political campaign and lavish spending at donors' expense, including numerous home remodeling projects, use of the university jet for his daughter's senior trip to the Bahamas, and a red Mercedes convertible and a Lexus SUV for his wife, Lindsay.

She is accused of dropping tens of thousands of dollars on clothes, awarding nonacademic scholarships to friends of her children and sending scores of text messages on university-issued cell phones to people described in the lawsuit as "underage males."

At a chapel service this week on the 5,300-student campus known for its 60-foot-tall bronze sculpture of praying hands, Roberts said God told him: "We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."

San Antonio televangelist John Hagee, a member of the ORU board of regents, said the university's executive board "is conducting a full and thorough investigation."

Colleagues fear for the reputation of the university and the future of the Roberts' ministry, which grew from Southern tent revivals to one of the most successful evangelical empires in the country, hauling in tens of millions of dollars in contributions a year. The university reported nearly $76 million in revenue in 2005, according to the IRS.

Oral Roberts is 89 and lives in California. He holds the title of chancellor, but the university describes him as semi-retired, and his son presides over day-to-day operations on the campus, which had a modern, space-age design when it was built in the early 1960s but now looks dated, like Disney's Tomorrowland.

The allegations are contained in a lawsuit filed Tuesday by three former professors. They sued ORU and Roberts, alleging they were wrongfully dismissed after reporting the school's involvement in a local political race.

Richard Roberts, according to the suit, asked a professor in 2005 to use his students and university resources to aid a county commissioner's bid for Tulsa mayor. Such involvement would violate state and federal law because of the university's nonprofit status. Up to 50 students are alleged to have worked on the campaign.

The professors also said their dismissals came after they turned over to the board of regents a copy of a report documenting moral and ethical lapses on the part of Roberts and his family. The internal document was prepared by Stephanie Cantese, Richard Roberts' sister-in-law, according to the lawsuit.

An ORU student repairing Cantese's laptop discovered the document and later provided a copy to one of the professors.

It details dozens of alleged instances of misconduct. Among them:

_ A longtime maintenance employee was fired so that an underage male friend of Mrs. Roberts could have his position.

_ Mrs. Roberts ? who is a member of the board of regents and is referred to as ORU's "first lady" on the university's Web site ? frequently had cell-phone bills of more than $800 per month, with hundreds of text messages sent between 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. to "underage males who had been provided phones at university expense."

_ The university jet was used to take one daughter and several friends on a senior trip to Orlando, Fla., and the Bahamas. The $29,411 trip was billed to the ministry as an "evangelistic function of the president."

_ Mrs. Roberts spent more than $39,000 at one Chico's clothing store alone in less than a year, and had other accounts in Texas and California. She also repeatedly said, "As long as I wear it once on TV, we can charge it off." The document cites inconsistencies in clothing purchases and actual usage on TV.

_ Mrs. Roberts was given a white Lexus SUV and a red Mercedes convertible by ministry donors.

_ University and ministry employees are regularly summoned to the Roberts' home to do the daughters' homework.

_ The university and ministry maintain a stable of horses for exclusive use by the Roberts' children.

_ The Roberts' home has been remodeled 11 times in the past 14 years.

Tim Brooker, one of the professors who sued, said he fears for the university's survival if certain changes aren't made.

"All over that campus, there are signs up that say, `And God said, build me a university, build it on my authority, and build it on the Holy Spirit,'" Brooker said. "Unfortunately, ownership has shifted."

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Re: Oral Roberts U. in the news
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2007, 06:42:59 PM »
You know, it's hard to take criticism from the likes of lanya and like minds, aimed at such institutions that have a declared non-profit status, and subsequent avoidance of anything/everything political, with any objective sincerity.  Is the NAACP considered non-partisan & non-profit exempt?  Rainbow-Push?  The NEA?  Any Union for that matter?  ???
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Re: Oral Roberts U. in the news
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 07:57:16 PM »
What seems incongruous is that the dems are actively recruiting the evangelicals, so scandal hunts and reporting involving evangelicals on a political board seem to run counter to that .


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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 09:31:17 PM »

In the midst of all that nuveau riche degenerate spree spending was mentioned how the first lady seems to be involved in a little adolescent toilet stalling herself, seemingly trolling for "underage males" that had been provided free phones for the occasions.

Imagine for a minute if the msm had the same goods on Hillary, and have the item buried between home remoldelings and wrongful taxi conduct.

I doubt there could be less than a dozen or so accountants at that prestigious penis-imaged university who knew who asked for those phones and, with a little deduction, the reasons for it.  Offices do buzz, even those shrouded in contumely cracker holiness.

So there you have a dozen accountants working for Bob Jones University knowingly condoning with their silence that most detested by Jesus of all sins, and doing nothing about it.

This happens when the cult factor looms larger in their spiritual atrium than does the dogma of their faith.

Helps to augment the growing notion that America's churches were more comfortable in God's Eye when they were impressive, even imposing, but not threatening, and were not congregationally convened in armed camps and mega-castles.

And most essentially, one notices here that this contemptuous ignoring of the rules by all these CEO Professional Christians is mirrored by this administration.  

One could conclude that the two are connected, and that this administration's imperial posturings reflect exactly the philosophical posturings of this relatively recent American spiritual phenomenon, wherein established rules must take a secone seat to hearing new rules uttered by God Himself/Herself.   Makes sense, since supposedly God is ending it all soon--just as soon as man has spree spent His entire dominion, down to the last exploited cinder.

Oh well, should anything be done about it all, we at least know we have God's preeminent CIC (Crisis Interventionalists for Christ) to handle the situation--porky loudmouth Bubba Hagee, who is Elmer Gantry with a beer gut.

None of these cartoonist carryings-on can be good for the efforts of all those missionaries overseas trying to win the hearts and minds of all those 'bizarre' pagan infidels.


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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2007, 12:26:29 AM »
<<What seems incongruous is that the dems are actively recruiting the evangelicals, so scandal hunts and reporting involving evangelicals on a political board seem to run counter to that .>>


Some good Democrats have an aversion to these pious, hypocritical religious frauds that runs deeper than any policy-of-the-month strategy the DLC losers can concoct.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2007, 08:47:29 AM »
You know, it's hard to take criticism from the likes of lanya and like minds, aimed at such institutions that have a declared non-profit status, and subsequent avoidance of anything/everything political, with any objective sincerity.  Is the NAACP considered non-partisan & non-profit exempt?  Rainbow-Push?  The NEA?  Any Union for that matter?
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First off, this was a news story that was posted by Lanya, not necessarily Lanya's post.

Second, you seem utterly clueless about what unions are all about. Unions exist for the welfare of their members. So called "right to work" laws, crippling the NLRA by understaffing and hiring anti-union droids to staff it with, both of which are common GOP practices are in no way advantageous to the financial betterment of uniobn workers, or any workers, for that matter. The same is true of the NAACP and other civil rights organizations.

Third, ORU purports to exist for the purposes of spreading the word of God. How is it buying and maintaining horses for the exclusive use of Roberts' children, buying cellphones so that the ORU 'First Lady' can arrange for trysts, and jetting the daughter to the Bahamas is in any way relating to this purpose? 

Is ORU immune to criticism because you oppose teachers uniting for the common purpose of decent wages and working condition, then?
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Re: Oral Roberts U. in the news
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2007, 09:23:21 AM »
First off, this was a news story that was posted by Lanya, not necessarily Lanya's post.

Lanya has stated several times that anything she posts, she agrees with, unless she specifically says otherwise.
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Re: Oral Roberts U. in the news
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2007, 11:08:33 AM »

Unions exist for the welfare of their members.


You're so funny. Unions exist for the wielding of power. On occasions that coincides with the welfare of the union members, but frequently does not.


So called "right to work" laws,


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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2007, 03:32:00 PM »
I am not an evangelical so I care little about ORU. It is not a public institution and so can do whatever thye want and are only subject to the jurisdiction of their board of directors, trustees, whatever. If Tuskegee were to do these same things, big deal. Same rule applies.

It just makes news because, well, the usual reasons. Sad that we are reduced to sensationalism, isn't it?

Where's the really important news? Not "news" about some college in the Midwest.

Have we really reduced ourselves to caring about unimportant crap like ORU, Lindsay Lohan and the like? (same category) Where's the substance nowadays?

Come on...getting bored, folks? Posting unimportant crap like this is a waste of time.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2007, 04:16:46 PM »
Come on...getting bored, folks? Posting unimportant crap like this is a waste of time.

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And yet, and yet, behold, despite the fact that you consider this irrelevant, you posted several lines yourself.

It is so extremely rare to find a union job that does not pay more than the same job without a union, that I have never found even one.

There are a few unions that are in some ways corrupt, including the UTD (United Teachers of Dade), an AFT affiliate here in Miami. But even so, they paid 12% more than the same job in Broward County, before that had collective bargaining with the School Board.

If you belong to a union and insist on honest and trasnparent governance, you will befefit far beyond the slight extra effort and dues that it requires.

So called "right to work" laws are designed to deprive the union of the resources it needs to do a decent job of representing the membership.

It tells the shirkers, the unconcerned and lazy and the irrational that they are entitled to get something (the benefits of collective bargaining) for free.

It is, however, impossible to actually start a union outside of the public sector today.

Lech Walesa in Communist Poland, had more rights to organize and involve his union, Solidarnosc, than any American workers has today. If you don't believe me, just try organizing a union yourself.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 04:58:11 PM »
It's not a waste of my time.  Why do you respond to something you regard as a waste of your  time?

Here's one reason it's interesting:

via Pam's House Blend
'And the big charge that threatens the existence of the university itself -- Richard Roberts is also accused of asking a professor in 2005 assign students and use university resources to work on a Tulsa pol's election bid for mayor. That would be a violation of state and federal law since ORU is a nonprofit.

Roemerman on Record has the damning letter sent out by an ORU faculty member's using their ORU email account in support of the pol, Randi Miller, for mayor. It's after the jump.'


 

    Subject: Attention All Campaigners

    Attention All Campaigners

    Our ORU reputation has been challenged!!! President Roberts has thrown his support behind Randi Miller for Mayor of Tulsa. The opposition has been quoted as saying that "ORU is a paper tiger" and "they can't deliver what's needed to win this race.". Well guess what, we need to show them just what we CAN deliver.

    There are only 50 days until the primary election and we need EVERYONE OF YOU!

    There will be team leader positions available along with lots of responsibilities. We have a terrific head quarters to work out of and a caring candidate who will take care of her volunteers.

    We need you, and we need you now. Come sign up in the Government office as soon as possible. We have activates starting as early as THIS Wednesday!

    HERE WE GO......

    Dr. Mr. Brooker &r. Mrs. Brooker

    Dr. Tim Brooker
    Coordinator, Department of Government
    Oral Roberts University
    (918) 495-****


'Roberts, as expected, had a different message from God about personal responsibility and this lawsuit.'

    Roberts said God told him: "We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 08:40:51 PM »

So called "right to work" laws are designed to deprive the union of the resources it needs to do a decent job of representing the membership.

It tells the shirkers, the unconcerned and lazy and the irrational that they are entitled to get something (the benefits of collective bargaining) for free.


Frankly, the insistence that only union members should be allowed to work only goes to my point that unions exist not for the workers but for the wielding of power. And before someone paints me as anti-union, I am not. I have no problem with workers uniting for collective bargaining. The fault I find is in unions deciding they should control the workers by demanding membership and dues to be allowed to work. "Right to work" laws protect the right to work, the right of the individual to enter into a private agreement with an employer. I know many people find protecting the rights of individuals to be troublesome, but if those rights are not protected, then the rights of the workers are also not protected.

I'm not saying unions cannot or should not make deals that only union members get certain benefits, but I am saying the unions should not prevent non-union members from being able to work. If you don't want non-union members working for you, then don't hire them. If protecting the rights of individuals makes unionizing more difficult, well too damn bad. Suck it up. If all you care about is power, then why should anyone make life easier for you? If you care about the workers, then get over yourself and don't be so damn snobbish about who benefits from collective bargaining.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2007, 11:23:50 PM »
Yeah, sure Rant on.

You make no sense.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2007, 12:29:21 AM »
Protecting the rights of individuals makes no sense to you? Hm. That explains a great deal.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2007, 01:28:47 AM »
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And before someone paints me as anti-union, I am not.

I am. Every dealing I have ever had with a union has been a pain in the ass.

When I worked as an electronics tech, I wasn't allowed to pull an instrument from a control panel and take it twenty feet to my shop to fix it, then reinstall it, a process that might take twenty minutes tops. Nope, I had to call a union electrician, then wait a few hours to a couple of days for him to get to my work order and disconnect the power and signal cables. Then I had to call a union mechanic, and wait a few hours to a couple of days for him to show up, loosen a few screws, and remove the instrument from the panel. Then I had to call a union expeditor and wait a few hours to a couple of days for him to move the unit twenty feet to my shop. Then I could fix it, then go through the entire process in reverse. All this while a customer is breathing down my neck to get the repair made so they can continue their operational testing.

I usually came in early and did the work myself on midnight shift.

I had a union crew drag their feet installing a nuke plant control room simulator for me in Chattanooga, Tennessee. After four days waiting for them to do maybe two days' work, one of the crew disappeared for an entire day. When he showed up, near quitting time, I asked him where he had been, and he held his hand out with a couple of sheet metal screws and told me he had been looking for parts. I called the foreman over and told them they had one more day, the next day, Friday, to finish putting the simulator together so I could power up and start testing on it first thing Saturday morning, or I would stay late Friday night and finish the job myself. The foreman sputtered around and threatened to file a grievance, and I told him I didn't work for his company (a contractor) or for TVA, and I had a deadline to meet for acceptance testing and I planned to meet it. He called my uncle - they were old friends - and asked him if I would do it. My uncle basically told him if I said I would, he could consider it gospel. They finished before noon Friday, and I had the power on and preliminary tests done Friday night.

I've had unions try to force unqualified workers on me because they had 'seniority', even though almost everything they did had to be reworked to get it right. I've seen union workers walk off the job because an engineer accidentally walked out of the office onto the work site with a screwdriver in his pocket. I've had unions try to get me to join them, and refused every time, because I could get ahead farther and faster on my own merits than I could with their seniority system.

There may be places where unions actually still do some good. I haven't found them yet.
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