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He actually got off lucky
« on: January 13, 2008, 01:01:01 PM »
Cops: Man sodomized stepson in revenge

FORT WORTH, Texas - A father sodomized his 18-year-old stepson to avenge the teenager's alleged rape of the man's 8-year-old daughter, police said.
 
The father, 32, turned himself into to authorities on Friday and was released from jail Saturday after posting a $17,500 bond. He faces a charge of aggravated sexual assault.

The stepson was arrested Jan. 2 and charged with suspicion of aggravated sexual assault. Police say the father caught him assaulting his daughter, and a subsequent examination at a hospital revealed the girl had been sodomized.

Sgt. Cheryl Johnson, supervisor of the Fort Worth sex crimes unit, said in a story posted Saturday on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's Web site that people need to "allow the criminal justice system to work for them."

"This is a very unique case, but we have a criminal justice system in place, and no one can take the law into their own hands," Johnson said.

The Star-Telegram didn't identify the father or the stepson to protect the identity of the girl. Fort Worth police didn't immediately return phone and e-mail messages from The Associated Press.

When the stepson was arrested, the man warned his wife not to get the teenager out of jail. She posted bond for the teen's release. When he called home Jan. 3 after getting released, the father took the call and picked him up, police said.

Instead of taking the teenager home, the Arlington man drove to an abandoned house in Fort Worth, beat his stepson with a baseball bat and sodomized him with a metal tool, police said.

After the man left, the stepson found a pay phone and called police, who searched the abandoned home.

"We did find evidence at the scene to corroborate our victim's story," Johnson said.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 12:47:54 AM »
I guess poetic justice can't be made leagal.


I feel a little sorry for the jury that will be seated for this.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 12:53:30 AM »
<<I feel a little sorry for the jury that will be seated for this.>>

Why?  A violent criminal is a violent criminal, who cares what his motive was?  Private vengeance, especially if unpunished, is a greater threat to the judicial system than child rape ever could be.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 01:10:52 AM »
<<I feel a little sorry for the jury that will be seated for this.>>

Why?  A violent criminal is a violent criminal, who cares what his motive was?  Private vengeance, especially if unpunished, is a greater threat to the judicial system than child rape ever could be.

I have been on a jury considering a violent domestic crime.

It is  a miserable experience.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 02:17:16 PM »
It isn't like watching a Broadway musical, but it's an essential civic function and you'll always be able to look back with pride on fulfilling it. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 09:42:36 PM »
It isn't like watching a Broadway musical, but it's an essential civic function and you'll always be able to look back with pride on fulfilling it. 


I did my duty , but I don't feel as much pride as pity.

I pityed the victim , I pityed the guy I voted to kill.

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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 09:58:09 PM »
Uhm
I`m not protecting the stepson
but damn that dad is not exactly somebody who should be around kids also.
it`s one thing for him to beatup the kid,but he went a good deal further
this is no hero

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 11:26:22 PM »
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this is no hero

You're right.

He should have nailed his nuts to a stump.

Then given him a dull knife, and set the stump on fire.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 12:04:40 AM »
<<I did my duty , but I don't feel as much pride as pity.

<<I pityed the victim , I pityed the guy I voted to kill.>>

Well, you wouldn't be human if you didn't pity both of them.  Sometimes you just have to recognize this is a world of shit.  And we're all a part of the problem.  At bottom we just don't care enough about the other guy.  We don't care when he's a baby, being neglected and abused, and we don't care when he's an adult criminal.  We each have our own problems.  I think that in our evolutionary path as human beings, we have a long way to go.  We're evolved from animals, predatory animals.  Our remote ancestors in the animal kingdom probably didn't even HAVE pity, that must have developed aeons later, and far into the future, when we've evolved even further from our evolutionary past, the  level of pity that we would see then would probably dwarf anything we have now.

  I was against the death penalty for years.  At least for unfortunate, uneducated schmucks who kill from frustration, lack of opportunities, lifelong neglect, absence of any kind of affection in their early years, fetal alcohol syndrome, brain damage, you name it.  These guys in effect are being punished for being the people that they can't help but be.  Worse yet, for being the people that we as a society just weren't interested in spending the money to take the measures to ensure that they wouldn't be.  In the end, it came down to self-preservation - - you could keep these guys locked up for the rest of their lives, but how could you guarantee that they wouldn't kill again inside the prison, or that they wouldn't escape and kill outslde the prison?  And I'm ashamed to say, in the end, I concluded, "Fuck it, it's just too fucking expensive to pay the price of keeping them alive and safe all those years, letting them out early would be suicidally crazy, so the only answer is to just remove the problem at the source." 

But how can you not at the same time pity "the problem at the source?"  I don't know what the answer is.  I feel the way we are living now, as a society, is just not right.  Our justice system only appears to be highly developed, by looking back at where it came from.  But we are very far from living in a just world, even in North America.  And most of the time, we can keep these realizations out of our minds.  But an encounter with the jury system opens a window, we can see what we block out.  We actually get to see that world of shit.  We see it, we absorb it, and then as soon as it's over, we wall it off all over again.  We have our own problems, living in a world of shit is not one of them.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2008, 12:31:50 PM »
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Well, you wouldn't be human if you didn't pity both of them.  Sometimes you just have to recognize this is a world of shit.  And we're all a part of the problem.  At bottom we just don't care enough about the other guy.  We don't care when he's a baby, being neglected and abused, and we don't care when he's an adult criminal.  We each have our own problems.  I think that in our evolutionary path as human beings, we have a long way to go.  We're evolved from animals, predatory animals.  Our remote ancestors in the animal kingdom probably didn't even HAVE pity, that must have developed aeons later, and far into the future, when we've evolved even further from our evolutionary past, the  level of pity that we would see then would probably dwarf anything we have now.............."

 


  Some fossil Human predicessors have been found with badly broken bones that had knitted , or even advanced cases of arthritus.  Careing for one another must have become a part of human nature long ago.

  Yet there are still people who don't , I suppose that they are a subset that has always been a part of us as a whole.

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2008, 03:21:46 PM »
and those sub group are admired
remember the expression i`d shoot a man if he looked at me wrong.
uhm
doesn`t make him nuts?
for some reason thats something to admire.
one of the coolthings about living here in san francisco is the macho culture is minimul.
seriously macho pranks are proof humans are not better than animals
possibly worst

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2008, 04:19:43 PM »
<<Some fossil Human predicessors have been found with badly broken bones that had knitted , or even advanced cases of arthritus.  Careing for one another must have become a part of human nature long ago.>>

Longer than you might think.  I worked in a research lab one summer and I saw monkeys cared for sick monkeys, dragged a blanket to drape over one, brought food, huddled close, etc.   That one summer turned me off of animal experimentation for life.  We just don't have the right.

I think there's an "empathy gene" for want of a better word, most folks have it, a very rare few wouldn't.  But I think most of the callousness that we see today is learned behaviour - - most children would be born with the empathy gene, but many become incapable of using it because of nightmarish experiences in their formative years.  I believe that massive improvements in early child development skills particularly by disadvantaged parents would make a huge difference in later behaviour.  But we're talking massive outlays of cash, personnel and effort.

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 04:29:02 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 04:45:21 PM »
I`m ok with animals research but it has to not be wasteful research
not repeat of same experiment done dozens of time earlier.
or pointless ones
ex. using pigs for food research
pigs are immune to certain poisons,so quite afew experiment would not apply
chimps on head trauma
thier skulls are thicker than humans
no a good used of and endangered species.