Judicial Excess?

[hnumpah]

...it's risking life and limb in the defense of their country.

Not in Iraq.

[sirs]

IMHO, taking the war on Terror & Islamofascism to them, vs waiting for it to come to America, in its full Israel-Hamas like glory, IS defending this country, ....similar to when we went into Germany & Japan. 

And before you or Hoof even try, it's NOT about being at war with Iraq or Saddam, and NEVER has been regardless how often the lie of imminent threat is brought up, by whomever.  Following the events of 911, it's ALWAYS been about taking the war to them (Radical Islam, Islamofascist, and other Muslim terrorists), where they are

[hnumpah]

...the lie of imminent threat...

Ah, the one the administration was spreading? Mushroom clouds over American cities and all that, hmmm?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I seriously doubt that even you think the US invaded Iraq to combat terrorism. If you do, you are just nuts, because Iraq had nothing whatever to do with terrorism.

Juniorbush invaded Iraq rather than capture Bin Laden. The incompetent stupidity of Juniorbush caused terrorism to come to Iraq.

Everyone with half a brain knows this.

[Xavier_Onassis]

there's nothing much more noble than serving one's country, and risking their life in the defense of it.

I suggest that inventing a vaccine is far more noble and useful as well.

And risking one's life is, well, risky. No Americans here are being defended in Iraq, get serious.

[hnumpah]

...similar to when we went into Germany & Japan. 

What similarity? Japan attacked us militarily, at Pearl Harbor. Worse, they did it without a formal declaration of war first (though they had planned to make one, but it was delayed). Once we declared war on Japan, Germany declared war on us, giving us the justification we needed to start preparing for the invasion of Europe.

Our first invasion of Iraq was in response to their attack on Kuwait. Even then, the consensus was that we did not want to capture Baghdad, simply destroy the Iraqi army and force them out of Kuwait. We did that, then stopped. Even Bush's daddy, who also was not the brightest bulb in the sleeve, knew that capturing Baghdad and trying to occupy Iraq wasn't a good idea, and wrote a book saying just that. Apparently his baby boy's handlers, the ones responsible for reading for him, missed that little tidbit, along with the more recent predictions for $4 a gallon gas.

We are not in Iraq fighting for American freedom and security. That's just the line the administration and it's true believers try to sell the rest of us. Problem is, after wasting all their credibility trying to sell WMDs, mushroom clouds over American cities, mobile chemical weapons labs, et al, it's a very hard sell.

[sirs]

...the lie of imminent threat...

Ah, the one the administration was spreading? Mushroom clouds over American cities and all that, hmmm?

Naaaaa, the one that has the Anti-war/Anti-Bush crowd claiming the administration was spreading.  Unless of course you can point out these American Cities being referenced by said Administration.  Shouldn't be too hard, right??  Let's see that target list

[hnumpah]

The Condi-bird didn't name cities.

[sirs]

How unfortunate for you.  Kinda torpedoes the notion she was illogically referencing American Cities now, don't it

[hnumpah]

Before the war, Rice said, "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." The scary vision of mushroom clouds was repeated by Bush and General Tommy Franks, head of Central Command.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0813-02.htm

In a January 10, 2003 interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Rice made headlines by stating regarding Iraqi WMD: "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condi_Rice

So, what, you're going to nitpick that she didn't specifically say American cities? Have at it. The lie about the imminent threat was still there, whether it was to New York or Tel Aviv or Amman.

[sirs]

So, what, you're going to nitpick that she didn't specifically say American cities?

LOL....Yes, since that's the basis of this gross distortion.  Strange how one claims Condi (and the Bush administration) meant X, then backpedal about being nitpicky that she never actually said X.

A) Saddam WAS trying to aquire the various components to put together a nuke.  The 1st time we went into Iraq, the Inspectors were floored to see how far they had gotten, in that endeavor.  B) His being able to have Nukes in the region, much like what India & Pakistan have been pulling, would have made him a much more massive threat than he was, AND would have put our troops in the region, not to mention Israel, at much greater peril

And the ever famous C), HE HAD NO MEANS OF HITTING US (the U.S.)  WITH A NUKE.  Apparently you're of the mindset that people are so stupid in the country, that when Condi never references an American city, she must have been........because.......well, because, people must be that stupid

The lie about the imminent threat was still there, whether it was to New York or Tel Aviv or Amman.

No the LIE, is that Saddam was claimed to be an imminent threat by this Administration.  The truth is that was never the case, and it was ALWAYS in trying to PREVENT him from BECOMING an imminent threat.  Not that those facts matter to you.  The distortion sounds so much better, don't it

[hnumpah]

http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031103.html

Enjoy.

I'm done with you.

[sirs]

Yea...............and?

Fire in the Kitchen!!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sirs, you say the same crap again and again, and it's still hogwash. It convinces no one.

[sirs]

The art of projection