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Plane

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« on: November 11, 2006, 05:28:27 PM »
What Can Democrats Accomplish on Foreign Policy?
The two most powerful foreign policymakers in Congress will likely be Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) and Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA). But with little control of over Iraq strategy, they may have to focus on issues like Darfur, nonproliferation, and rebuilding damaged diplomatic relationships. San Francisco Chronicle

http://www.motherjones.com/index.html




As they prepare to take over Congress, victorious Democrats are wrestling with a dilemma on foreign policy -- while most public attention will be sucked up by the debate over Iraq, there may be little the Democrats can do but watch the Bush administration follow its own course on the war.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/11/10/MNG6SMA3RS1.DTL&type=politics



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What?


I didn't hear anyone saying this as they were trying to get elected.


If the best choices tha can be made now still do fail , will blameshifting be the important survival skill?

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2006, 05:41:41 PM »
Well, the article states they can still concentrate on "nuclear nonproliferation, Darfur, energy and global warming."

All are still noble callings. Limits on emissions is crucial, R&D on energy equally so. And Darfur is essentially genocide.

And I am sure, Plane, there will be shifting of blame, but then again, isn't there ALWAYS?
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2006, 05:55:41 PM »
There is plenty the dems can do re: Iraq.

They can rescind authorization.

They can defund.


It's not that they can't it is that they won't.


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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2006, 06:24:43 PM »
What happens to the soldiers on the ground in Iraq if we defund?  Or if we rescind authorization?

I'm not about to sit still for these new people to be happy and complacent in DC. I want them to actually do their jobs, even if it means doing unpopular things, even if it means serving only one term.  But I want it to be the best thing for the troops.  What is the best thing?
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2006, 10:55:11 PM »
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What happens to the soldiers on the ground in Iraq if we defund?  Or if we rescind authorization?

They come home.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2006, 03:21:08 AM »
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What happens to the soldiers on the ground in Iraq if we defund?  Or if we rescind authorization?

They come home.


Thank you.  That is what I needed to know.  Now I can start writing letters to all the new people. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2006, 10:47:39 AM »
This is how it happened in Vietnam.

Kissenger negotiated a treaty so vague that it looked like a victory to the US and to permission to annex the South to North Vietnam.

South Vietnam's government was supposed to be strong enough to stand on its own. This might have been true, but the officials of the South Vietnamese government chose to take the money and run, and their government collapsed. President Thieu's plane was so loaded with gold and other valuable goodies than it barely cleared the runway.

Our "democratic" allies turned out to be an assortment of corrupt thieves.

Congress then withdrew funds to keep US gtroops in Vietnem. Being as there was not supposed to be a sudden takeover by the North, there was no provision for the speedy withdrawal.

What followed could not be described even by Juniorbush, Cheney or Karl Rove as a victory.

Vietnam, of course, had absolutely nothing the US really needed. The only reason to be there was hubris about how "these colors never run", and the myth that the US had never lost a war.

Ransoms were paid to the Bey of Algiers, the Canadians and Brits  burned Washington, including the White House, in the War of 1812, Pancho Villa raided Columbus NM and got away with impunity, and the expeditionary force to Russia was a fiasco, but we chose to ignore those as minor and didn't count them.

Vietnam was a disaster. The blame lies with John Foster Dulles and his equally evil brother Allen who got the US involved in propping up French colonialism in the first place. Naturally, there are many ratwingers who blaqme the Democrats for not allowing them to nuke SE Asia, as though the reprecussions would not havre been far worse. The US using the Bomb would have meant that the Chinese also had an equal right to use their bomb.

It would be nice if greater sanity goes into the withdrawal from Iraq, but I have zero confidence in that hateful, ancient old hack and prize oil company asshole, James Baker. His competence still has yet to manifest itselff in any way anfd the old bastard is damn near 80. I can almost hear Kissinger panting and pawing the turf to get involved in another 'Peace with Honor' scheme.

We need intelligent diplomats and we are stuck with Israeli shill Negroponte and clowns like Baker and Kissinger. Woe is we!

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2006, 12:29:54 PM »
If you are so disenchanted with the U.S., move elsewhere. Sounds downright pathetically unAmerican to me (not that you care). These negative attitudes make me sick. Gosh, we HAVE done some really positive things, you know. The U.S. military has assiting many worthwhile people in the world and rebuilt many lives. And, regardless whether you want to admit it or not, we ARE the greatest military power in the world and will be for some time to come. Geessh!