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Re: dont be evil
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2010, 12:11:25 AM »
when did we get fusion !!!???

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Re: dont be evil
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2010, 12:23:11 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hydrogen_production

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/34726.pdf


Most of what we think of as fuel is chemical energy .

Chemicals store energy in the forming of bonds or the breaking of bonds , either way potential energy is stored as if you were winding a spring.

Fossil fuels have hydrocarbons whose bonds represent springs wound long ago by sunlight that fell on anchient plants.

Sunlight falling on earth today winds the hydrocarbons of the processes of life , potentially enough to replace fossil fuels totally with currently harvested solar power , if we can make the process efficient enough and devote enough real estate to collection .

I like algae for hydrogen production , also for hydrocarbon production, they are already pretty efficient naturally , and a little tweaking can make them even moreso.

I imagine tubes and glass panels installed on the faces of downtown buildings flowing with nutritious slurry extracted from sewage and turned bright green , red or blue by cultivar algae , produceing H2 and oil suitable for operating deisel or turbine engines.

Not only would the city harvest a lot of fuel right on the site where it would be used , the City would take on a glittering emerald apperance as though Frank Baum had engineered it.

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Re: dont be evil
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2010, 01:05:10 AM »
Chevron has this ad with this jovial brain of a scientist who chatters on about how he has been working with algae for thirty years or so, and then says that maybe we could use algae for fuel. And every time I see it, I am thinking: thirty years is a Looooong time: why don't you just get ON with it?
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Re: dont be evil
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2010, 01:17:47 AM »
, I am thinking: thirty years is a Looooong time: why don't you just get ON with it?


He is competeing with fossil fuel on cost.

It mighthave taken eons for the fossil fuel to form and we are burning it a lot faster than it formed.

He is working on means to make current solar power into usable energy , compeditive with fuel that has a lot of time compression.

Getting oil out of algae suitable for running a diesel or turbine engine is already possible , getting algae to produce H2 suitable for fuel cells is old news.

But the cost of produceing this  has to be compared with the cost of burning coal, oil and natural gas , which is actually solar power captured by algae over eaons and stored where we can find it like a windfall.

I think that the biggest advantage of useing algae or any other solar power gathering scheme is the much lessor pollution , can the real cost of pollution be computed and added to the apparent cost of burning fossil fuels?