Fri 11 US Warships & Israeli ship pass thru Suez Canal on way to Persian Gulf

[Amianthus]

I'm afraid that reference went right over my head.  Hopefully, if Chinese missiles failed a victim of U.S. aggression in '91, they may have learned from the failure and produced a better weapon for 2010.

Chinese missiles were fired from Iraq at a US Naval group offshore in 1991. One missile was destroyed by the "cannot work" missile defense systems, and the other went off course, so it was not engaged.

While the Chinese have improved their missile systems, the US has also improved it's "cannot work" missile defense systems. Also, China still does not export it's newer missile systems - only the older ones that failed to work in 1991.

[Michael Tee]

If China exports only the older and failed versions of its missiles, why can't the buyer work on converting them to more effective models or on reverse-engineering them and then re-designing and building better versions?

[Amianthus]

If China exports only the older and failed versions of its missiles, why can't the buyer work on converting them to more effective models or on reverse-engineering them and then re-designing and building better versions?

Don't know; you'll have to ask the buyers that yourself. Iraq did that for a while, though they never managed to update their equipment to exceed the capabilities of those of Israel or the US. The Al-Hussein missile, for example, was an updated version of the Soviet Scud-B, developed by the Iraqis when the Soviets refused to sell them the TR1 Temp missile.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Ami...I would think Syria was using Russian or Chinese equipment in 2007 when Israel
jammed everything and quite easily flew in and destroyed the Syrian nuclear facility.

[Amianthus]

If China exports only the older and failed versions of its missiles

Actually, designating them as "failed" is incorrect; they work fine, just not against better equipped targets (China, Russia, US, Israel, France and Germany mostly). But they work fine against targets from the various middle eastern countries that they were claiming they needed defense from...

China does not sell weapon systems that it would have a hard time defeating themselves - neither does the US or anyone smart.

[Christians4LessGvt]

US-led armada secretly drilled bombing
Iranian targets, missile defense with Israel

DEBKAfile: June 21, 2010, 6:54 PM (GMT+02:00) 


SuperHornets taking off from US carrier

The armada of 10 US warships plus an Israeli and German battle vessel each,
which transited the Suez Canal Friday, June 18, has reached the Persian Gulf,
debkafile's military sources report.

But first, from June 6 through June 10, the USS Harry S. Truman carrier Strike Group
was deployed 50 miles off the shore of southwestern Israel, secretly drilling the
interception of incoming Iranian, Syrian and Hizballah missiles and rockets against
US and Israeli targets in the Middle East.

This was first revealed by DEBKA on June 18.

The fleet let by the Truman then headed for the Persian Gulf through the Suez Canal
accompanied by an Israeli missile ship (not identified) and the German missile frigate
FGS Hessen F221.

For five days and night, the Truman's sixty F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter bombers
took off on simulated bombing missions against targets set up by the Israeli Air Force
at its firing range on the Nevatim Base-28, in the Negev desert southeast of Be'er
Sheva - one of its three big air bases.

The exercise was prompted by rising tensions from Syria's deployment of advanced
Scud missiles for Hizballah on its border with Lebanon. it took place not far from the
spot where Israeli commandos subsequently raided the Turkish Mavi Marmara on May 31.

The exercise had 60 American F-16 fighter jets landing at Israeli Air Force facilities
from bases in Germany and Romania, refueling and taking off with Israeli fighter bombers
to practice long-range bombing missions over the Red Sea and the Mediterranean and
drill air-to-air combat along the way.

Both Washington and Jerusalem withheld public exposure of this US-Israeli aerial
exercise, dubbed Juniper Stallion 2010. President Barack Obama ordered all US missile
interceptors in the Middle East to go on war alert in the second week of June, including
batteries aboard US Sixth Fleet vessels on the Mediterranean and the US Fifth Fleet in
the Persian Gulf.

debkafile's military sources add that Israel's missile's shield, including Arrow anti-missile missiles,
was similarly on standby.

It was decided at the White House to stage the Juniper Stallion exercise only eight months
after Juniper Cobra 10, the biggest joint war maneuver the US and Israel had ever conducted
against missile attack, after receiving new intelligence that Iran, Syria and Hizballah had almost
doubled their operational armory of medium-range missiles.

Switching over to a tough line, US defense secretary Robert Gates warned a Senate panel
on June 18 that Iran could fire "scores or hundreds" of short- and medium-range missiles
against Europe - in salvoes rather than one or two at a time.

Four days later, Gates told a Fox interviewer: "I don't think we're prepared to even talk about
containing a nuclear Iran. I think? our view still is we do not accept the idea of Iran having
nuclear weapons." Asked whether a military strike was preferable, he said all options remain
on the table although some time is left for working on problem."

[Michael Tee]

Let's just hope the Iranians have had a few secret drills of their own going.  Each time the U.S. picks a new victim for its intimidation and possible aggression, I keep hoping, maybe THIS is the time the world bully gets its ass kicked so fucking hard that it splits right up the middle.  A lot of other people are hoping and praying for the same surprise and I know one day it has to come.  I just hope that I'll be around to see it.

[sirs]

*Oh yes, please Iran...try something, please, please, please, please, please*

[Plane]

Let's just hope the Iranians have had a few secret drills of their own going.  Each time the U.S. picks a new victim for its intimidation and possible aggression, I keep hoping, maybe THIS is the time the world bully gets its ass kicked so fucking hard that it splits right up the middle.  A lot of other people are hoping and praying for the same surprise and I know one day it has to come.  I just hope that I'll be around to see it.

Why would you want the evil to grow strong?

Wouldn't it be better if the strong were to grow good?