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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 07:06:35 PM »
The Chinese have every right to make their own policies for their own people, and fuck Krauthammer and the jackass he rode in on. It is utterly futile for the US to badmouth China...

So the Obama White House and Joe Biden are wrong?
to call China's policy "repugnant," and to announce they"strongly oppose
all aspects of China's coercive birth limitation policies, including forced abortion and sterilization"
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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 08:15:06 PM »
Biden is right, The Chinese have every right to make their own policies for their own people, and fuck Krauthammer and the jackass he rode in on. It is utterly futile for the US to badmouth China to please a handful of religious nutjobs.

I hope one day the Chinese abort you.

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 11:30:50 PM »
Someday they will carry you away howling mad in a straitjacket, you hateful lunatic.
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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 12:14:40 AM »
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137106354/in-asia-the-perils-of-aborting-girls-and-keeping-boys
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In her book, Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls and the Consequences of a World Full of Men, Hvistendahl writes that wider access to ultrasound technology and abortion has allowed parents in these developing countries to abort daughters in the womb and keep sons.

"As a country develops, birth rate falls, new technology comes in, and, unfortunately, one of the side effects is skewed sex ratio at birth," Hvistendahl tells Morning Edition host Renee Montagne.

The rise of an educated and wealthy clientele in many Asian countries has made sex-selective abortion more common. But, Hvistendahl says, there are a few key differences between the cultural context of abortion in Asia and the West.

"In the U.S., a woman may have to brave picket lines to get an abortion," Hvistendahl says. "She may not have a clinic in her town, and in many parts of Asia abortion is readily available, and so is ultrasound."

Hvistendahl adds that gender discrimination in developing nations does not fully explain the drop in the number of girls born. "You have countries where women have very low status — in the Middle East for example — and the sex ratio at birth is balanced," she says.

Gender imbalance comes, in part, from dramatic drops in birth rates. "The average Korean woman in the 1950s had six children. Now the birth rate is close to one," says Hvistendahl. "It's not that women necessarily want sons any more than before, but there's more pressure on them."

Hvistendahl explains that part of the drop in birth rates in Asia can be attributed to "a history of population control, and a dark history at that."

 
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Unnatural Selection: Choosing Boys Over Girls, and the Consequences of a World Full of Men
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As an example of the consequences of sex selection, Hvistendahl says that in Taiwan, many men have difficulty finding wives using traditional methods. Some even spend thousands of dollars on "marriage tours" to other Asian countries.

The fee includes travel, lodging and the purchase of women there.

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 01:44:34 AM »
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER:

"The vice president of the United States should never say about a policy as immoral as that
"I understand."

This is one of the failings of this administration. Yes, we cannot do anything about China's one-child policy. We cannot unilaterally change the regime in Syria and Iran. But this administration simply refuses to speak out on the basic fundamental moral issues on which all Americans are united. It is a scandal to say, "We understand."

The number of forced abortions in China as a result of this, the misery and essentially the torture that people have felt having to destroy a child, even infanticide, as a result of this is simply outrageous. And for a vice president to say he understands is essentially to negate, even to betray our values.


He's right - Biden should have kept his fat mouth shut.

But as horrible as the policies are there, it's a terrible thing to decide WHEN the children should die - as part of a family planning program or of famines later.

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 02:13:42 PM »
It matters not one whit what Biden says, he will change nothing.

Basically, that is what he said.

The Chinese have their values, as does every culture. And not all values are seen in the same way by all.

Krauthammer is a reactionary fruitcake.
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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 09:05:09 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137106354/in-asia-the-perils-of-aborting-girls-and-keeping-boys[As an example of the consequences of sex selection, Hvistendahl says that in Taiwan, many men have difficulty finding wives using traditional methods. Some even spend thousands of dollars on "marriage tours" to other Asian countries.

The fee includes travel, lodging and the purchase of women there.



China is more prosperous and we are less, if trends continue will Chineese tourists start buying our women?

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 11:21:53 PM »
China is more prosperous and we are less,

OMG Plane what does this mean?
Most of China is VERY third world.
There is some unspeakable poverty in China, like nothing you could see in the US on such a scale.
Tens if not hundreds of millions of Chinese live on less than $5 a day.
Most Chinese homes do not have hot running water.

The 2010 Human Development Report by the United Nations lists
the US as #4 in the world and has China listed at #91.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2011, 11:25:20 PM »
http://www.npr.org/2011/06/15/137106354/in-asia-the-perils-of-aborting-girls-and-keeping-boys[As an example of the consequences of sex selection, Hvistendahl says that in Taiwan, many men have difficulty finding wives using traditional methods. Some even spend thousands of dollars on "marriage tours" to other Asian countries.

The fee includes travel, lodging and the purchase of women there.



China is more prosperous and we are less, if trends continue will Chineese tourists start buying our women?

they can have all the liberal women we have in America for free!!! Why sell em?

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2011, 06:19:12 AM »
actually it`s the whole spectrum . extreme poverty to extreme excess .
don`t forget taiwan is not china,despite what china says.

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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 02:43:12 PM »
The average income in the US is higher than the average income in Taiwan, Singapore, and there prosperous overseas Chinese communities. It is MUCH higher than the average income in mainland China, though surely there are many, many millionaires in Mainland China.

So far, buying wives seems to be more common in the US than most other places. There are cultural factors involved. There are few American wives in Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE, despite the enormous prosperity of those places. On the other hand, Rupert Murdock ditched his Aussie first wife for a younger Chinese woman. Senator Phil Gramm of Texas also has a younger Chinese wife.

Biden's mission to China was not to cause them to change their one-child policy. It was concerned with trade arrangements, and to give the Administration a chance to get acquainted with China's probable new leader.

Note that when Germans or French or British leaders come here, it is not to tell us that we have far too many people in jail in this country, considering our population, are really bad at preventing recidivism  and should end the death penalty. In the same way, China's policy on population control is also not really any of the business of our leaders.
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Re: Biden is OK with China's one child policy
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 09:36:50 PM »
China is more prosperous and we are less,

OMG Plane what does this mean?

China is more prosperous than it used to be, they have not caught up to us at all, yet.

But where is it written that the USA will never combine enough mistakes to fritter away its own prosperity?