The Strategic Role of Ukraine in World War III

[Christians4LessGvt]

http://youtu.be/aEditxGuXrA

[Plane]

   That is food for thought , but I don't agree with him very much.

    Russia isn't heroic to use economic and military leverage to influence their neighbors , and the USA is not villainous , to use economic and military leverage to influence on the same targets.

     If Russia were about what is good for Russians rather than what is good for Russia I would have more sympathy for them.

      What Ukrainians really need is a government that was determined to be good for its people , Bulgaria and Georgia could use something like that also.

       Before WWII Poland stood up to the German government and did not allow the Germans to dictate their form of government nor who they chose as allies. Poland got into a lot of trouble over this , but in my opinion they would not have been in less trouble by being more compliant to a neighbor that was prone to invade them in any case.

        If it is President Obama's idea to make the sanctions rob the Russians of the profit from their strongarm tactics on their neighbors , I think I shall cheer him on, what would be the better alternative?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I do not see that WWIII makes much sense to anyone.

I do not see where the US supporting Ukraine benefits American citizens. I do not care who controls Crimea. It seems like the Crimeans prefer being Russian. Ukraine has won no prizes for good government since independence.

Low oil prices are a boon to the US consumer, but the prices have not been lowered to please US consumers: this is being done to wreak havoc on both Russia and Venezuela and to get customers for US oil.

The chemical composition of crude oil differs widely. Once a refinery has converted to processing US oil, it costs money and down time to switch back to processing Russian or Venezuelan crude oil.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Low oil prices are a boon to the US consumer, but the prices have not been lowered to please US consumers:
this is being done to wreak havoc on both Russia and Venezuela and to get customers for US oil.

We agree on something!
The Ukraine in Russia's backyard is not worth any risk of war involving the US.
And yes oil is being lowered to pressure Russia, Iran, and others.
I just hope the noose of this very serious COLD WAR does not get bad enough to make it go hot.

[sirs]

I do not see that WWIII makes much sense to anyone.

World Wars I & II made no sense either, but had to be fought, especially when it becomes a vital interest to the security of the U.S.  No one wants war.  War is the absolutely last resort, but should never be taken off the table of options

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US had no business fighting WWI.

JP Morgan loaned a lot of money to the Brits, and when the war turned into a stalemate, he encouraged the US to sell weapons to them. The Brits blockaded Germany, so the Germans built lots of U Boats. When the ships carrying the weapons were sunk, the press which supported JP Morgan called it an act of war. Thousands of Americans died in WWI for no reason at all.

It was of no concern to 99% of the people in the  US that Serbia wanted Bosnian independence, that the French wanted Alsace back, or that the Italians wanted Tyrol. 

It was fought to support JP Morgan's loans and the greed of a few people selling weapons.

No one attacked the US before WWI as the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in WWII.

[sirs]

The US had no business fighting WWI.

Your opinion is duly noted

[Christians4LessGvt]

this is being done to wreak havoc on both Russia and Venezuela

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-09/venezuelans-throng-grocery-stores-on-military-protection-order.html

[Xavier_Onassis]

Venezuela has always been poorly governed. The poor paid nearly all the price for this with horrible schools, electricity blackouts, inadequate and unaffordable medical care and bad public transportation. Now it is the middle class that has the problems. But Venezuela will survive, and Chavez will be remembered with respect by many.