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Brassmask

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Thank god.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/06-278.ZO.html

If the Bong Hits For Jesus sign is not allowed because it could lead any child to taking illegal drugs then a principal so inclined could ban all talk, banners, shirts, patches, discussion, clubs, etc having to do with any religion if that principal deems it reprehensible or dangerous to the well-being of the student body.

At issue is not the illegality of marijuana use, but the context of its use as in "for Jesus". 

I just wish I was a principal.

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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2007, 12:53:54 AM »
Um that was not the reasoning of Scotus.

    Chief Justice Roberts delivered the opinion of the Court.

    At a school-sanctioned and school-supervised event, a high school principal saw some of her students unfurl a large banner conveying a message she reasonably regarded as promoting illegal drug use. Consistent with established school policy prohibiting such messages at school events, the principal directed the students to take down the banner. One student?among those who had brought the banner to the event?refused to do so. The principal confiscated the banner and later suspended the student. The Ninth Circuit held that the principal?s actions violated the First Amendment , and that the student could sue the principal for damages.

    Our cases make clear that students do not ?shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate.? Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School Dist., 393 U. S. 503, 506 (1969) . At the same time, we have held that ?the constitutional rights of students in public school are not automatically coextensive with the rights of adults in other settings,? Bethel School Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 U. S. 675, 682 (1986) , and that the rights of students ?must be ?applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment.? ? Hazelwood School Dist. v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U. S. 260, 266 (1988) (quoting Tinker, supra, at 506). Consistent with these principles, we hold that schools may take steps to safeguard those entrusted to their care from speech that can reasonably be regarded as encouraging illegal drug use. We conclude that the school officials in this case did not violate the First Amendment by confiscating the pro-drug banner and suspending the student responsible for it.

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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2007, 12:56:53 AM »
How about
"Free Speech for Jesus" ?   
That would be OK?
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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2007, 01:08:52 AM »
Consistent with these principles, we hold that schools may take steps to safeguard those entrusted to their care from speech that can reasonably be regarded as encouraging illegal drug use. We conclude that the school officials in this case did not violate the First Amendment by confiscating the pro-drug banner and suspending the student responsible for it.


So, the point is, as I stated, that in was in the interest of safeguarding the children (even though this kid was 18).  Thus anything deemed dangerous by the principal would have been acceptable for confiscation like a bible which could lead one to believe in pixie dust fairies who don't like men to sleep with other men or men to eat pigs or putting no other gods before them.

Don't act like this is about illegal drug use, because if that had said "Cigarette Puffs For Jesus" or "Marital Orgasms for Jesus" or "Concealed, Licensed Weapons For Jesus"  that sign would have still come down.  It was the "For Jesus" part that the principal got all wiggly about.  The thought of "OMG, they're promoting illegal drug use!" didn't enter her brain or anyone else's till someone handed them a summons.

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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 01:23:31 AM »
I don't see how bong hits for whomever could be about anything other than illicit drug use.

And even if he was 18 his audience most probably wasn't.

The 9th erred. Scotus corrected them.


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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 01:52:14 AM »
I don't see how bong hits for whomever could be about anything other than illicit drug use.

And even if he was 18 his audience most probably wasn't.

The 9th erred. Scotus corrected them.



Of course, you don't.  You consider it impolite to put up a sign on national television that says "Bong hits for Jesus" while the Olympic torch is going by.

For you, the SCOTUS came down on your side no matter what their inane reasoning was to make it fit.

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Re: SCOTUS Ok's Banning Religion In Schools (Or Even Talking About It)
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 07:52:33 AM »
The issue was whether the principal could be sued for doing her job. The 9th said she could, Scotus corrected that.