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It's about damn time
« on: June 04, 2008, 10:33:42 PM »
Union County approves zoning ordinance for Hyperion
By Dave Dreeszen Journal business editor

ELK POINT, S.D. -- Flashing a smile, Joyce Bortscheller briefly hugged Hyperion Energy Center executive Preston Phillips as she greeted him in the backyard of her home here.

Bortscheller, president of the Elk Point City Council, had invited about 250 supporters to an outdoor barbecue Tuesday to await the returns for arguably the most important election in Union County's history. The big crowd didn't leave disappointed.

As midnight approached, they popped the champagne corks, celebrating a hard-fought victory that keeps alive the county's chances of landing the nation's first all-new oil refinery in 32 years.

By a solid 58 percent to 42 percent margin, county voters approved Hyperion's request to rezone 3,292 acres of farm land for a new classification, Energy Center Planned Development.

"What happened tonight, we were not supposed to be able to do," Phillips told a cheering audience. "Development projects like this are supposed to be outright rejected by residents and neighbors. But this project is a testament to our balancing the needs for growth and for protecting the environment."

At stake was billions of dollars in capital investment and thousands of high-paying jobs. From the beginning, Hyperion executives said they would abandon its Union County site, just north of Elk Point, if a majority of voters failed to give their blessing to the rezoning.

While conceding defeat, opponents vowed to keep fighting the controversial project on every imaginable front, pressing on with a lawsuit it filed against the county over the zoning procedures and opposing Hyperion as it applies for a bevy of state and federal permits.

"We have strategies in place to slow or delay all the permit processes," Ed Cable, chairman of the anti-Hyperion group Save Union County, said after the vote.

Tuesday's historic election culminated a months-long, emotionally charged campaign that pitted neighbor against neighbor in this extreme southeast South Dakota county.

Supporters cited the once-in-a-lifetime economic opportunities the $10 billion project would bring.

An average of 4,500 construction jobs would be required over four years. With the refinery up and running, Hyperion pledges to create 1,826 full-time jobs at hourly wages of between $20 and $30.

"I think it would be a great opportunity for young people to stay in this area instead of leaving for other states," Kelly Hoekstra, 31, of Dakota Dunes said after casting a vote in favor of the rezoning.

Opponents argued the massive development would not be worth the pollution and other troubles they claimed the refinery would bring. The health risks traditionally associated with a refinery weighed heavily on the minds of some voters.

"I live out here. I don't need the pollution," said Jim Schroeder of McCook Lake, after voting against the rezoning.

The contentious issue largely broke along urban and rural lines, with residents living the closest to the Hyperion site fighting the hardest to keep the refinery out of their backyards.

Tuesday's record turnout largely reflected that split, with early returns from the mostly rural precincts putting the "No" votes squarely in the lead. As votes were tallied in the more populated area, particularly in the southeast tier closest to Sioux City, that lead was slowly erased.

The ordinance took a slim 205-vote lead after 11 of the 13 precincts reported. Hyperion supporters declared victory after the Elk Point precinct results came in, increasing the rezoning lead by 150 votes.

Last to report was voter-rich Dakota Dunes, where an unusually large number of absentee ballots slowed the counting. In the Dunes, the ordinance easily passed, 1,017 to 236 votes.

"That's huge," Phillips told the cheering crowd.

The final tally was 3,932 votes in favor of the ordinance and 2,832 against.

Hyperion touted the so-called "green" technology in its proposed energy center, which it claims would be the world's cleanest. The refinery would process 400,000 barrels of tar sands crude a day from Alberta into low-sulfur gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.

Supporters argued that tapping into reserves from our neighbor to the north would reduce the nation's dependence on Mideast oil and add badly needed refining capacity in the U.S., where the last all-new refinery was built in 1976.

Both sides flooded the county's nearly 10,000 registered voters with paid ads, direct mailers and door-to-door stops, combining to raise and spend more than $100,000.

A ballot question committee formed by Dallas, Texas-based Hyperion alone poured in at least $45,000.

"It was close, and one of the reasons why was negative campaigning worked," Phillips told supporters. "We have always taken the high road, and we will continue to take the high road."

Hyperion project executive J.L. "Corky" Frank, a former Marathon Oil executive, joined Phillips for Tuesday night's celebration, where supporters enjoyed music, food and drink and regularly checked their cell phones for up-to-date election numbers.

Addressing the audience, Phillips thanked the local supporters, including Bortscheller and her husband, Gary, for hosting the party.

Last summer, after Hyperion publicly announced its interest in the Union County site, Bortscheller, who is also a local economic development leader, organized a barbecue for Hyperion CEO Albert Huddleston to introduce him to local residents.

"From the very beginning I was on board because I felt it was the right thing for our county," Bortscheller said early in the evening.


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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 12:06:08 PM »
Good for them. At least we won;pt have to hear the constant blather about how somehow "we" lack refining capacity because "we" have not built a new refinery in 30 or however many years.

How long has it been since we built a new cement plant? A new shingle mill? A new plant that makes bottles for designer water?

The assumption is that in some bizarre way, production can only be increased is "we" build a NEW refinery. Forget any talk of expanding an older one.

I have not been asked ever to do anything to build a new refinery. I am an American citizen and have never failed to vote since I was 18 years old, but never, NEVER have I been asked to do anything regarding a refinery. But somehow I am to blame when gasoline prices go up.

Most AMericans do not figure into this "we" that refuses to build refineries.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 12:33:20 PM »
I looked for some answers to a couple of questions about this issue, but I couldn't find any answers online.

1)  How are they going to get the oil from Alberta to SD?  It's obviously an overland route, do they plan to build a pipeline or are they going to truck that oil overland?  Either way is going to be expensive.  I am aware that Canada is building a natural gas pipeline from BC to Alberta (that may be a job that I work on in the next couple of years), but I hadn't heard anything about a pipeline from Alberta to SD.

2)  Canada is utilizing the tar sands right now because the price of oil is high and therefore it's economically viable to extract oil from the sands.  There are actually two questions that I have here, the first is that since the refining company is spending all this money to place this refinery here (and possibly a pipeline) does this herald the supposition that oil prices will stay extremely high ($3+ a gallon) for the forseeable future?  The second question is what will happen to the refinery and the town if tar sand extraction exceeds economic viability, either through increased expense of extraction or through falling oil prices?

I'm supportive of this new refinery, but there's a reason that refineries are usually built by water/ports.  I'm surprised that this one is getting plopped in the middle of nowhere where an overland route is required though.

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 12:39:43 PM »
The upper midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, the Dakotas) already get most of their oil and gasoline from Canada - which is why it tends to be cheaper there than elsewhere. I saw lots of trains with tankers on them when I lived up there.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 12:50:46 PM »
Rail would make sense.  I wonder if it's cheaper/more efficient than by barge?  It was my understanding that gasoline was cheaper in the Midwest/Upper Midwest because there was so much ethanol (flex fuel?) there, but that could well be a misunderstanding on my part.

I wonder how many people realize that the majority of our foreign oil comes from Canada?

On a personal note Ami, I'm wondering how did you like MN?  I currently have a job offer there, in Duluth, which in some ways I'd like to take but I'm thinking that I probably won't, or at least until the Russian Far East job is done.  There's too much money to be made on that job for me to pass it up.

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 12:51:16 PM »
I'm supportive of this new refinery, but there's a reason that refineries are usually built by water/ports.  I'm surprised that this one is getting plopped in the middle of nowhere where an overland route is required though.

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If you check a map, you will find that this is on the Missouri River, where there is a lot of cheap barge traffic
available.

I wonder if it's cheaper/more efficient than by barge?  It was my understanding that gasoline was cheaper in the Midwest/Upper Midwest because there was so much ethanol (flex fuel?) there, but that could well be a misunderstanding on my part.

^The river flows south. I strongly suspect that a barge going down river is vastly cheaper than a railroad, which requires more energy to move in any direction.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 12:54:27 PM »
If you check a map, you will find that this is on the Missouri River, where there is a lot of cheap barge traffic available

The Missouri River goes to the tar sands in Alberta?  It's getting the oil to SD that I was wondering about, getting it out shouldn't be much of an issue, they could take it by rail pretty much anywhere in the country, or get it to Duluth and ship it out of there.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 01:02:21 PM »
Are there any rivers that flow from Alberta to Duluth or anywhere on the Missouri?

I think that Alberta is on the wrong (western) side of the Continental Divide.
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 01:32:05 PM »
Are there any rivers that flow from Alberta to Duluth or anywhere on the Missouri?

I don't think that there are any that are navigable, but I could be wrong.

I think that Alberta is on the wrong (western) side of the Continental Divide.

The continental divide runs along the western edge of Alberta and the eastern edge of British Columbia.  The oil sands are in NE Alberta, in the area known as Athabasca.



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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 01:44:34 PM »
On a personal note Ami, I'm wondering how did you like MN?  I currently have a job offer there, in Duluth, which in some ways I'd like to take but I'm thinking that I probably won't, or at least until the Russian Far East job is done.  There's too much money to be made on that job for me to pass it up.

I loved it in MN. My wife, not so much.

If you like outdoors stuff and cooler / cold weather, Minnesota is great. The only thing you would miss would be real mountains. Hunting / fishing / snowmobiling / ATVs / hiking / boating / etc., MN has all that stuff.

Shame my house isn't closer to Duluth, I'd rent it out to you...
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 01:46:51 PM »
My wife is from North Dakota, and has said many a time, North Dakota is where they invented cold, and shipped it to the rest of the country    ;)
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 01:54:05 PM »
I think that Alberta is on the wrong (western) side of the Continental Divide.

The continental divide runs along the western edge of Alberta and the eastern edge of British Columbia.  The oil sands are in NE Alberta, in the area known as Athabasca.

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It appears that there are several divisions into watersheds (in addition to several sinks, like the Humboldt Basin and the Rio Nazas Basin, where water never reaches any ocean) in North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Divide_%28Atlantic/Pacific%29

The net result is that there are no rivers that could be used to barge oil or tar sands from E. Alberta down to the USA.

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 01:59:02 PM »
I loved it in MN. My wife, not so much.

If you like outdoors stuff and cooler / cold weather, Minnesota is great. The only thing you would miss would be real mountains. Hunting / fishing / snowmobiling / ATVs / hiking / boating / etc., MN has all that stuff.

Shame my house isn't closer to Duluth, I'd rent it out to you...


I work with a guy who came from Brainerd, he said that it was a lot like it is here in Western Washington, lots of trees and water, but that there aren't any mountains and that everything is flat and that it's a lot colder in the winter.  I'm really into the outdoors so all of the things that you mention (with the exception of ATV's, never got much into that) would be pluses.  If I were to take the job I would probably buy a house, I've never been a fan of renting.  The other issue would be convincing my partner, who's a stay at home partner, to go along with it, which could be difficult since he grew up in southern California.

A couple more questions if I'm not boring you to death yet, how is the cost of living/housing there?  Here, I can buy a three bedroom house (about 2000 ft2) for around $280K, how does that compare?  And the recreational land for fishing/hiking/camping/hunting etc, is that mostly private land (timber/mining companies) or is a lot of it Federal/state land?

My wife is from North Dakota, and has said many a time, North Dakota is where they invented cold, and shipped it to the rest of the country    


Ha!  I've seen Fargo and heard about the lake effect snow off of Superior in Duluth.  The summers are a lot like here I think, pretty mild, but the winters would take some getting used to.  That said, I did live 5 years in Spokane so I think that the winters are somewhat similar to that?

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 04:12:32 PM »
A couple more questions if I'm not boring you to death yet, how is the cost of living/housing there?  Here, I can buy a three bedroom house (about 2000 ft2) for around $280K, how does that compare?  And the recreational land for fishing/hiking/camping/hunting etc, is that mostly private land (timber/mining companies) or is a lot of it Federal/state land?

My house is 3 bedrooms / 3 bath with a full basement that includes a bar and game room, about 2,400 ft2, on 3 wooded acres - I purchased it in 2004 for $203K. Food is bit higher than here in NC, but in general it tastes better. You'll probably use more gas in MN because everything is spread out.

BTW, Fargo was filmed (and mostly takes place) in Brainard. I believe that Brainard continues to resist fluoridation of it's city water.
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