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Is this thing on?
« on: November 10, 2006, 11:59:44 PM »
Kerry's 'botched joke'
November 9, 2006

In the wake of the Democratic congressional victories, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. – perhaps more than any other Democrat – heaved a sigh of relief.

Speaking to students at California's Pasadena City College Oct. 30, 2006, the former presidential candidate said, "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

As for the number of those offended, let us count the ways.

A straightforward reading of his remarks makes it pretty clear that John Kerry considers people in the military stupid, devoid of other options. Kerry attempted to dismiss the remark by calling it a "botched joke," an attempt to take a swipe at President Bush. You know, President Bush equals stupid, equals improperly analyzing the situation in Iraq, equals the U.S. getting "stuck" in Iraq.

Question: Between Bush and Kerry, which one actually made better grades in college? Answer: They both attended Yale as undergraduates, with Bush's GPA at 77 to Kerry's 76. Kerry received four D's in his freshman year, in geology, two history classes and political science.

What about Kerry's assertion that, in effect, called today's military enlistees dumb? The facts do not support Kerry's slam. Today's average recruit is more likely to have graduated from high school than a non-recruit. Many officers have graduate degrees.

Bill Carr, acting deputy under secretary for military personnel policy, said in December 2005 that more than 90 percent of recruits have a high-school diploma, compared to 75 percent of civilian youth. And on aptitude tests, says Carr, today's recruit scores much higher average aptitudes than do non-recruit youths. The Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery test is designed so that the average young person scores at 50 percent. Yet in fiscal 2005, 67 percent of recruits scored above the 60th percentile on that test.

The "Today" show's Matt Lauer attempted to help the senator. After all, said Lauer, surely Kerry, a vet, did not intend to demean the military. Over at ABC, Charlie Gibson, too, offered up that damage-control opinion. But when it comes to demeaning the military, Kerry is a serial offender. Last year, he accused soldiers in Iraq of "going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing women and children. ..."

In 1972, Kerry opposed switching to an all-volunteer army, arguing that such an army would be "an army of the poor and the black and the brown. We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply 'doing its job.'" Contrary to Kerry's prediction, middle-class young people comprise the bulk of today's wartime volunteer Army recruits.

Tim Kane, an economics scholar and Air Force Academy graduate who prepared a report for a 2005 Heritage Foundation study on recruits, said, "We found that recruits tend to come from middle-class areas, with disproportionately fewer from low-income areas." The study found that "on average, recruits in 2003 were from wealthier neighborhoods than were recruits in 1999." Never mind Kerry's insult to the poor, the black and the brown by suggesting that, were they the bulk of the all-volunteer army, they would happily engage in "war crimes" as a matter of policy!

Kerry also repeated the lie of "inequities" during the Vietnam War – that minorities died in higher percentages than their numbers in the population. Not true, according to David Horowitz of the Freedom Center. During the Vietnam War draft era, blacks comprised 13.5 percent of the population. Of those who died in Vietnam, 12.5 percent were black, with blacks comprising 12.1 percent of men killed in actual battle.

When Kerry returned from Vietnam and testified before Congress in 1971, he accused the military of engaging in widespread atrocities and war crimes, recounting soldiers' stories that American GIs had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan. ..."

Many of the stories Kerry recounted then and in a book he wrote turned out to have been fabrications. Tim Russert, in 2004, confronted Kerry on "Meet the Press" about his 33-year-old accusations.

Russert: You committed atrocities.

Kerry: ... I think it's an inappropriate word. ...

Russert: You used the word "war criminals."

Kerry: ... It was, I think, a reflection of the kind of times we found ourselves in, and I don't like it when I hear it today.

Russert: ... A lot of those stories have been discredited ...

Kerry: Actually, a lot of them have been documented. ... Have some been discredited? Sure, they have, Tim.

As for Kerry's Pasadena City College remark, he finally apologized – that is, to anyone "offended" by his words, which he claimed were "misinterpreted."

The "botched joke" didn't hurt the Democrats on election night, but what about the military?


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sirs

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Re: Is this thing on?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2006, 06:53:00 PM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Is this thing on?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2006, 07:30:04 PM »
The "botched joke" didn't hurt the Democrats on election night, but what about the military?

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What about them?

I suppose you are going to say that they will resign their commissions, refuse to re-enlist, disobey orders or stop fighting so they can have a good cry over Kerry's dumbass joke.

I don't think it will have any significant effect on any soldiers at all. So what if they feel insulted. I assume that they know more about their education and abilities than Kerry does.

I tend to think that the ponly result of this silly incident will be that Kerry will think more carefully before he opens his trap.

He has pretty much ruined any chance of getting the nomination again. And that's okay by me.
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Re: Is this thing on?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2006, 07:34:31 PM »
What hurts the military more?  Kerry's "botched joke"?  Or rpgs, ieds and bullets?  Dude, the people have spoken.  The war was a mistake and the GOP is corrupt.

And it's really kind of just bizarre and crazy that you're still hammering on Kerry about something that didn't matter a bit almost a week after the nation told you and your cult to get bent.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2006, 07:41:35 PM »
What hurts the military more?  Kerry's "botched joke"?  Or rpgs, ieds and bullets? 

That'd be the "botched joke", as it shows complete & utter disdain and disrespect towards those who put their lives on the line against rpgs, ieds and bullets
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2006, 07:48:29 PM »
That'd be the "botched joke", as it shows complete & utter disdain and disrespect towards those who put their lives on the line against rpgs, ieds and bullets

Sorry to tell you but W, the butt of Kerry's joke, has never done any of those things.

And you KNOW that W was the butt of the joke.  You just like hammering on Kerry because its all you've got.  It'll be 2008 and you cultists will be posting stuff about Kerry's "botched joke".

You'll note the major Dem who called Kerry out to apologize LOST his race last week.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2006, 07:52:04 PM »
I expect the 2008 race to be really dirty.
You think you've seen dirty, but I don't think we've seen it yet.   
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 09:06:41 PM »
That'd be the "botched joke", as it shows complete & utter disdain and disrespect towards those who put their lives on the line against rpgs, ieds and bullets

Sorry to tell you but W, the butt of Kerry's joke, has never done any of those things.

Now your insulting the intelligence of everyone else around here, that knows better
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2006, 09:10:12 PM »
Now your insulting the intelligence of everyone else around here, that knows better

Oh come on, are you serious?  You actually believe a week before the elections, John Kerry is going to stand in front of crowd and say the troops are stupid?  Now, I know you've gone 'round the cultist bend.


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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2006, 09:22:15 PM »
Now your insulting the intelligence of everyone else around here, that knows better

Oh come on, are you serious?  You actually believe a week before the elections, John Kerry is going to stand in front of crowd and say the troops are stupid?  

LOL, if he can do it in front of a congressional committee, referencing unwitnessed barabarism & terrorism, with every camera taking down his every word, you bet he'd be stupid enough to malign them right before an election.  It's no wonder the Dems practically hogtied & gagged him afterwards.  In fact, have they let him out, yet?

Now, I know you've gone 'round the cultist bend.

Brass, you've been pulling that completely debunked claim for eons now.  Give it a rest.  It makes you look as silly as Kerry


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Re: Is this thing on?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2006, 10:40:41 PM »
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Oh come on, are you serious?  You actually believe a week before the elections, John Kerry is going to stand in front of crowd and say the troops are stupid?


I think he said what he said. It could very well be taken as about the troops. My understanding is his prespeech press copy showed the joke written as it should have been delivered. He screwed up and then took too long to apologize. Once again its about the coverup.

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2006, 10:53:42 PM »
He screwed up and then took too long to apologize. Once again its about the coverup.
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How long it "too long"? What coverup?

Kerry isn't good at jokes. He won't run for president again.

Unlike when Juniorbush screws up and several thousands die, Kerry blew a joke and perhaps a handful of soldiers were mildly offended.

This is completely over.

You might as well be chattering away about Earl Butz and his joke about loose shoes and tight p*ssy.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2006, 11:03:00 PM »
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How long it "too long"? What coverup?

First he denied saying anything that insulted the trrops and refused to apologize.
Within 72 hours he was apologizing to anyone who was offended.

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He won't run for president again.

He certainly won't win now, even if he does run.