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sirs

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Ends justify the Means
« on: October 29, 2008, 07:27:06 PM »
Obama has raised as much as Bush & Kerry combined in 2004.  At one time he pledged to accept Public financing and to ensure that both nominees would operate within those limits

And for the record, I have no problem with Oblather making this much money and declining public financing.  My problem is in the double standard & hypocrisy applied when it was Republicans making more (which incidentally, wasn't very often), and the utter silence now by those same leftists decrying how $$$$ was completely corrupting the GOP, by way of the amounts they were taking in
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 07:36:41 PM »
Obama has raised as much as Bush & Kerry combined in 2004.  At one time he pledged to accept Public financing and to ensure that both nominees would operate within those limits

And for the record, I have no problem with Oblather making this much money and declining public financing.  My problem is in the double standard & hypocrisy applied when it was Republicans making more (which incidentally, wasn't very often), and the utter silence now by those same leftists decrying how $$$$ was completely corrupting the GOP, by way of the amounts they were taking in

So sorry.

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 07:40:18 PM »
Like I said, utter hypocritical silence.  Screaming like banshees when it was Bush in 2000, now it's "so sorry".  Thanks for reinforcing my point, Brass
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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 09:11:29 PM »
When the GOP was raking in more money for its campaigns than the Democrats were, the large corporations were the biggest contributors, meaning that candidate was beholden to the corporate donors, not the people.

Obama's funds are coming in small amounts from many people.  Thus Obama is more indebted to the little people than he is to the corporate donors.

Simple, really.

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 09:13:07 PM »
Obama's are coming in from everywhere, just as they were with Bush.  People and large corporations both.  But your consistency in trying to rationalize the hypocrisy is duely noted
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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 10:13:06 PM »
Obama's funds are coming in small amounts from many people.  Thus Obama is more indebted to the little people than he is to the corporate donors.

ROFLMAO

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 10:47:09 PM »
>>You really believe what you write, don't you?<<

That's one.

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 01:47:03 AM »
When the GOP was raking in more money for its campaigns than the Democrats were, the large corporations were the biggest contributors, meaning that candidate was beholden to the corporate donors, not the people.

Obama's funds are coming in small amounts from many people.  Thus Obama is more indebted to the little people than he is to the corporate donors.

Simple, really.

But it seems unlikely to be true.

Sorous for example , seems capable of injecting massive amounts through loopholes and back doors , as a currency trader Sorous has a great potential to gain from a fluxtuation in the value of currency , is Sorous backing Obama and is Sorous poised to benefit from selling American securitys short?

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2008, 03:11:59 AM »
<<Obama's are coming in from everywhere, just as they were with Bush.  People and large corporations both.  But your consistency in trying to rationalize the hypocrisy is duely noted>>

I happen to believe that Obama has tapped into the internet to find a great many citizens of modest wealth, each of whom makes a small donation which, due to the large numbers of contributors, adds up to a mountain of cash. 

I don't believe that Bush touched anywhere near the number of donors that Obama did.  I don't believe any Republican ever has.

Obama represents a new kind of politician at least in his means of raising funds.  Just as his audiences vastly outnumber McSame's, or any numbers that Bush ever drew, it's only reasonable to believe that the number of his contributors vastly outnumber the contributors to the Bush campaign.

plane, get back to me when you have any solid evidence that all those small Obama donors are really fronts for Soros money.  I know where Republican campaign money comes from even if you don't.  It ain't rocket science, my friend.   

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2008, 04:18:31 AM »
You can "believe" anything you want.  Fact is Obama is getting it from all sources, including BIG corporations, and BIG donors.  And all the while your "belief" is merely a transparent rationalization effort.  Obama has a D after his name and is running on a socialist agenda, so his mega $$$ get a pass........ends justify the means
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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2008, 04:32:55 AM »
plane, get back to me when you have any solid evidence that all those small Obama donors are really fronts for Soros money.&nbsp; I know where Republican campaign money comes from even if you don't.&nbsp; It ain't rocket science, my friend.&nbsp; &nbsp;



That is not easy.

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Judicial Watch contends that the Obama campaign continues to stonewall on listing its many donors, a step that would go a long way toward clearing up whether the Democratic presidential candidate is accepting unlawful contributions from overseas.


Sen. Barack Obama has raised about $3.3 million from contributors who did not list a home state or who designated their state with an abbreviation that did not match one of the 50 states or U.S. territories, The Associated Press reported, citing records from the Federal Election Commission.


The $3.3 million total does not include donors who have given less than $200 and whose contributions do not have to be itemized. Some of that money also could have come from overseas. About half of Obama's $455 million in contributions so far are un-itemized.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/donor_obama_watchdog/2008/10/27/144469.html


http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contributions_to_politicians/donor_list.php?candidate_id=P80003338

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 04:58:34 AM »
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donors/2008/10/29/145612.html


It is going to take longer to unravel this than time remaining in the election , if BHO winds up winning but oweing a lot of return money and unpaid contracts , I doubt that he would return the Presidency for another turn at fairness.

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Re: Ends justify the Means
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 09:49:21 AM »
plane, get back to me when you have any solid evidence that all those small Obama donors are really fronts for Soros money.

You'll call it a "book keeping error" or some such, but there is some evidence already of big money making illegal contributions:

The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.

Biskup, who had scores of Obama contributions attributed to her, said in an interview that she never donated to the candidate. "That's an error," she said. Moreover, she added, her credit card was never billed for the donations, meaning someone appropriated her name and made the contributions with another card.
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