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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2010, 04:13:30 AM »
Roberts was a GOP nominee and his scant audit trail was in the Reagan library and i don't recall any major screaming. With Roberts the GOP controlled the Senate and it took 72 days to get confirmed. Alito was confirmed by a Dem Senate and took 92 days.

Personally I think the GOP members of the Judiciary should just phone this one in. Make Obama wonder what he overlooked.




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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 04:45:05 AM »
IIRC, he already had a substantial Judicial record, to go on
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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2010, 11:19:22 AM »
Yeah he had two years on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.


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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2010, 11:21:08 AM »
And Kagan had how many again?
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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2010, 07:23:03 PM »
Roberts was a GOP nominee and his scant audit trail was in the Reagan library and i don't recall any major screaming. With Roberts the GOP controlled the Senate and it took 72 days to get confirmed. Alito was confirmed by a Dem Senate and took 92 days.

Personally I think the GOP members of the Judiciary should just phone this one in. Make Obama wonder what he overlooked.





  You don't think we could benefit (and enjoy) a good Borking?

   We could actually get Bork himself to assist .

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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 07:37:31 PM »
I'm under no illusion that Kagan won't get confirmed.  My effort in all this is to help educate the electorate, towards the issues of Judgement & Ideology of this president.  If she turns out, as BT seems to want to believe, that's she just a left leaning moderate, then Obama's po'd more of his base, but no other political damage.  If she's more inclined to what I believe she's like, and would likely rule, I want the electorate to know who nominated and pushed for her Judgeship.

Thus my calls for more scrutiny of her paper trail under Clinton
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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 07:41:54 PM »
Are young political friends s  being groomed for placement in the Supreme court?

The more political the placement process becomes , the more there is advantage in picking someone with little judicial experience.

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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2010, 08:37:49 PM »
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I'm under no illusion that Kagan won't get confirmed.  My effort in all this is to help educate the electorate, towards the issues of Judgement & Ideology of this president.  If she turns out, as BT seems to want to believe, that's she just a left leaning moderate, then Obama's po'd more of his base, but no other political damage.  If she's more inclined to what I believe she's like, and would likely rule, I want the electorate to know who nominated and pushed for her Judgeship.

My entire argument really isn't about Kagan. It is about picking your battles. I don't see the GOP being able to stop her from being seated, and by fighting her nomination, there isn't a whole lot to gain and much to lose, especially if the GOP appears to be hamfisted in their attack. So let them request her writings so they can get a better feel for the way she will look at cases. But let's save the cries that she is the second coming of Hugo Chavez for someone who deserves the label of radical extremist. From what is can see, this one is pragmatic and willing to bend when necessary.

I understand that many look at politics as a spectator sport, but with the shape we are in at this moment in time, let's forego the gameplaying and focus on righting the ship.






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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 09:30:58 PM »
How many chances to fight will there be?

Should we go an inning or two without swinging at the strikes?

I consider it mere due dilligence that Senators demand to know about the qualifacations and potential disqualifacations of a life appointment to high power.

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Re: i am telling you SIRS we could do much worse!
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 09:37:35 PM »
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Should we go an inning or two without swinging at the strikes?

How about making sure they are strikes before swinging?

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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 11:08:18 AM »
Documents Show Kagan's Liberal Opinion on Social Issues

Elena Kagan has kept her cards so close to the vest that in the days after President Obama nominated her to the Supreme Court, some on the left worried she was too moderate to replace liberal Justice John Paul Stevens.

But in documents obtained by CBS News, Kagan--while working as a law clerk to the late Justice Thurgood Marshall - made her positions clear on some of the nation's most contentious social issues.

The documents, buried in Marshall's papers in the Library of Congress, show Kagan standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the liberal left, at a time when the Rehnquist Supreme Court was moving to the conservative right.

They also provide a remarkably candid picture of her opinions, including on the most controversial issue Supreme Court nominees ever confront: abortion.

Although Kagan's confirmation has thus far been an all but foregone conclusion, sources say these documents will give Republicans a few cards of their own to mount a strong fight against her.

And they will only heighten demands for more information on her views--including interest in her papers in the Clinton Library. Some of the Clinton Library documents, which cover her time working in that administration, could be released as early as Friday.

The Marshall documents are legal memos summarizing cases the Court had been asked to consider. They cover the spectrum of hot-button social issues: abortion, civil rights, gun rights, prisoners' rights and the constitutional underpinnings for recognizing gay marriage.

On abortion, Kagan wrote a memo in a case involving a prisoner who wanted the state to pay for her to have the procedure. Kagan expressed concern to Marshall that the conservative-leaning Court would use the case to rule against the woman--and possibly undo precedents protecting a woman's right to abortion.

"This case is likely to become the vehicle that this court uses to create some very bad law on abortion and/or prisoners' rights," she wrote in the 1988 memo.

She also expressed strong liberal views in a desegregation case. Summarizing a challenge to a voluntary school desegregation program, Kagan called the program "amazingly sensible." She told Marshall that state court decisions that upheld the plan recognized the "good sense and fair-mindedness" of local efforts.

"Let's hope this Court takes note of the same," she wrote in the 1987 memo. Just three years ago, the Supreme Court struck down a nearly identical plan.

Kagan's Stance on DADT at Harvard Ambiguous

Kagan also wrote a memo that senators could use to question whether she believes there is a constitutional right to gay marriage.

That memo summarized a 1988 case involving a prisoner serving a life sentence in New York. He argued the state of New York was required to recognize his marriage-by-proxy in Kansas - even though such marriages were illegal in New York.

The basis of his argument was that New York had a duty under the Constitution's Full Faith and Credit Clause to recognize his Kansas the marriage as valid. Kagan told Marshall his position was "at least arguably correct," and recommended asking for a response from New York officials.

Then there was the recently disclosed memo on gun rights. In a case challenging the District of Columbia's handgun ban as unconstitutional, Kagan was blunt: "I am not sympathetic." The Supreme Court took the opposite approach two years ago, striking down the D.C. gun ban as unconstitutional.

Taken together, these documents are certain to provoke considerably more questions than the less controversial papers unearthed before her confirmation hearings for solicitor general.

Watch CBS News Videos OnlineIn those 2009 hearings, she explained she was merely trying to reflect Marshall's views when she wrote memos to him.

"I was a 27-year-old pipsqueak, and I was working for an 80-year-old giant in the law, and a person who, let us be frank, had very strong jurisprudential and legal views," Kagan testified.

But these memos, often written in the first-person, show a more personal approach that suggests she shared many of Marshall's opinions.

In a case involving prisoners' rights, for example, Kagan criticized a 1984 Supreme Court decision--Strickland v. Washington - which set tough new standards for convicted criminals to argue they were denied effective assistance of counsel. Marshall and another liberal icon, Justice William Brennan, were the only dissenters in that case, written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor.

"I'd like to reverse Strickland too," Kagan wrote in her memo to Marshall three years later, "but something tells me this court won't buy the idea."



Kinda what a thought, so far
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle