Justice Served - One Less Dependent of the state - adios amigo

[Kramer]

<<When I was a kid , the labor force for the peach harvest was found at the local high school.>>

Well, come and see the peach harvest here in the Niagara Peninsula.  You'll see truckloads of Jamaican temporary workers doing the job that no local highschoolers want to do.

    <<After the Immagrants have been here long enough to raise children will those children also be worthless?>>

Who knows?  Maybe they'll have enough respect for the labour of their parents that they'll continue on in their footsteps.  Don't count on it though.  My parents had no desire to work in a garment industry sweatshop. 

Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?

[Michael Tee]

<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>

I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence.  If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force.  There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.

[Kramer]

<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>

I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence.  If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force.  There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.

No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.

[Plane]

<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>

I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence.  If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force.  There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.

No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.

They only happen to be Jamacan.

Just as in Arizona a bus load of recently arreated illeagal border crossers just happen to be Hispanic.

It doesn't prove racism that the people involved sort themselves.

[Kramer]

<<Isn't it racist to truck in dark-skinned people to do work that whitey doesn't want to do and for chump change at that?>>

I think it's non-racist to trust other people with the valuable peach crop every year, pay their RT transportation AND their immigration fees for temporary residence.  If Ontario farmers were racists, they'd insist on an all-white work force.  There are probably plenty of willing white hands in Eastern Europe.

No no no they specifically use dark people and there must be a reason, if any it's because they can control them. They hold all the power over these people. If they screw up they are kicked back to Jamaica. It's a power trip and it's disgusting.

They only happen to be Jamacan.

Just as in Arizona a bus load of recently arreated illeagal border crossers just happen to be Hispanic.

It doesn't prove racism that the people involved sort themselves.

Nope there is a clear pattern of these Canadians using dark skinned people like Jamaicans and Mexicans. It has to be racial.

[kimba1]

I think I can answer this. I got confuse in a old comedy show (in living color) that portrayed jamacains as uber workers. than I found out later on it`s a fairly well earned stereo type. thiers quite abit of a disperaity between african-americans and jamaicans. lets just say people kave a preference hiring jamaicans. we`re not talking money alone, the willingness to work has a significant factor

[Michael Tee]

kimba's right, the Afro-Canadians aren't any more interested than the Anglo-Canadians in picking peaches for a living.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.

[Kramer]

I think I can answer this. I got confuse in a old comedy show (in living color) that portrayed jamacains as uber workers. than I found out later on it`s a fairly well earned stereo type. thiers quite abit of a disperaity between african-americans and jamaicans. lets just say people kave a preference hiring jamaicans. we`re not talking money alone, the willingness to work has a significant factor

Sure thing because our government pays more for laziness than the Jamaican government. In Jamaica it's work or die.

[Kramer]

I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.

not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.

[Plane]

I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.

not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.

Spend the summer picking Canadian fruit , spend the winter in Jamaca spending the pay in a depressed economy.

The farm owner spends the winter in Canada and can't afford to go to Jamaca.

I don't feel that the Jamacans are ill used , can it be raqcism if there is no harm?

[Kramer]

I would imagine that the Canadians prefer Jamaicans to eastern Europeans as the Jamaicans speak English. It is also cheaper to transport them, because the distance is less, and cooperation between two Commonwealth nations is easier to deal with.

not to mention Jamaicans are dark skinned and white Canadian farmers are racist. Plus in the winter the Jamaicans can luge on their off time from picking crops for $7.50 an hour with no workers rights or health care.

Spend the summer picking Canadian fruit , spend the winter in Jamaca spending the pay in a depressed economy.

The farm owner spends the winter in Canada and can't afford to go to Jamaca.

I don't feel that the Jamacans are ill used , can it be raqcism if there is no harm?

why are the dark-skinned Jamaicans discriminated against with low wages, shabby living quarters, and no health care? The reason is because the whites Canadians have health care, better living conditions and make more money. Isn't the difference RACE. How can it be anything but racial? If whites aren't willing to do the work and blacks and Mexicans are then it must be racial.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I imagine that if Jamaicans were white they would be equally preferable to Canadian farmers. In Canada, the cost of living is expensive because it is necessary to stay warm in the winter. Jamaicans come in the warmest part of the year, and return before it gets cold. That is one reason why they are cheaper than locals. Of course, the locals would also need to stay warm in the winter, and there is really no seasonal agricultural work available in Canada in the winter.

I fail to see how this is racist. It is possible to live in Jamaica on what earns working for several months in Canada in the summer. It is probably not possible for local Canadians to do the same. It is purely voluntary: Jamaicans who do not like to pick fruit in Canada do not have to do so. If you think it is racism, that is simply your opinion, and I suggest that since (a) you are not Jamaican, (b) you have never had a career as a fruit-picker, (c) you have never worked in Canada, that whether or not this is "racist" is more a topic for Jamaicans who have picked fruit in Canada to comment upon than you.

[Kramer]

I imagine that if Jamaicans were white they would be equally preferable to Canadian farmers. In Canada, the cost of living is expensive because it is necessary to stay warm in the winter. Jamaicans come in the warmest part of the year, and return before it gets cold. That is one reason why they are cheaper than locals. Of course, the locals would also need to stay warm in the winter, and there is really no seasonal agricultural work available in Canada in the winter.

I fail to see how this is racist. It is possible to live in Jamaica on what earns working for several months in Canada in the summer. It is probably not possible for local Canadians to do the same. It is purely voluntary: Jamaicans who do not like to pick fruit in Canada do not have to do so. If you think it is racism, that is simply your opinion, and I suggest that since (a) you are not Jamaican, (b) you have never had a career as a fruit-picker, (c) you have never worked in Canada, that whether or not this is "racist" is more a topic for Jamaicans who have picked fruit in Canada to comment upon than you.

if it's not racist then why don't they hire white Jamaicans?

[Xavier_Onassis]

That would be because (a) white Jamaicans are quite rare, and (b) those that do exist are members of the upper classes: not the class that has the expertise or the desire to pick fruit. Most Jamaicans (91.2%) are black. 6,2% of Jamacans are "mixed", and only 2.6% are "other", which includes Chinese, Indians and the odd Lebanese or British person. I doubt that any white Jamaicans would be turned down, should any apply. This is according to the CIA Factbook.