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DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« on: December 14, 2006, 07:54:21 PM »
(Wonder what this means for Mikey's 100% accurate bullshit detector - that indicated the team members were lying. Seems like the physical evidence supports their claim rather than Mikey's.)

A private lab used by prosecutors failed to report finding genetic material that didn't match samples from suspects, a defense motion says.
By David Zucchino, Times Staff Writer
December 14, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. — A private lab used by prosecutors in the Duke University lacrosse rape case failed to disclose that it had found DNA from unidentified males in samples taken from the accuser's body and underwear, according to a defense motion filed Wednesday.

The DNA did not match samples taken from three Duke lacrosse players charged with raping an exotic dancer during an off-campus party March 14. Nor did it match DNA taken from 43 other members of the university lacrosse team, or the accuser's boyfriend, the defense motion said.

"This is strong evidence of innocence in a case in which the accuser denied engaging in any sexual activity in the days before the alleged assault," lawyers for the three accused players wrote in the 61-page motion.

The DNA — which the motion said came from "multiple males" — was not mentioned in the lab's final report, submitted to the Durham district attorney's office in May and subsequently provided to the defense.

Defense lawyers found references to the DNA while scouring 1,844 documents handed over by the lab Oct. 27 under a judge's order. DNA Security Inc. in Burlington, N.C., initially refused to provide them, citing cost and privacy.

The accuser, a black student at North Carolina Central University in Durham who was hired to perform at a team party, told police she was raped in a bathroom by three white players who did not use condoms.

A few hours after the alleged rape, a doctor and nurse collected standard rape kit evidence from the woman at a hospital.

"Enough of that DNA existed for DNA Security to conclude that none of it matched the defendants, their teammates … or anyone else who submitted a DNA sample to the investigation," the motion said.

The lab performed DNA tests on more than a dozen items, but its final report to prosecutors in May included analyses of only three items, the motion said.

According to the lab's protocols, which were provided in the defense motion, "results for each DNA test" must be included in all reports.

The defense motion seeks all DNA Security documents related to the lacrosse case, including chain-of-custody accountings, internal e-mails, DNA analysis reports and databases, and records of any tests conducted after the lab's May report.

DNA tests conducted by the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation laboratory in late March did not find evidence of semen, blood or saliva in samples taken from the accuser. DNA Security told a police investigator, Michelle Soucie, that it could perform more sophisticated tests using a technique that isolates Y chromosomes — the male chromosome.

According to Soucie's notes, DNA Security lab director Brian Meehan said he could "possibly adjust prices because they would really like to be involved in [the] case."

Neither Meehan nor Dist. Atty. Mike Nifong could be reached for comment Wednesday night.

Last week, U.S. Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.) asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Nifong committed "prosecutorial misconduct" and violated the defendants' civil rights.

Nifong, who called the defendants "hooligans," allegedly allowed police to conduct a photo lineup in which the accuser was shown only photos of Duke lacrosse players.

The three accused athletes have said they are not guilty. A trial is scheduled for the spring.

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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 08:00:41 PM »
(Wonder what this means for Mikey's 100% accurate bullshit detector - that indicated the team members were lying. Seems like the physical evidence supports their claim rather than Mikey's.)

A private lab used by prosecutors in the Duke University lacrosse rape case failed to disclose that it had found DNA from unidentified males in samples taken from the accuser's body and underwear, according to a defense motion filed Wednesday.

The DNA did not match samples taken from three Duke lacrosse players charged with raping an exotic dancer during an off-campus party March 14. Nor did it match DNA taken from 43 other members of the university lacrosse team, or the accuser's boyfriend, the defense motion said.


Oooops.  Where to go now.  Perhaps the lack of evidence actually validates the accusation, hmmm?  That is a frequent theme, is it not  We all know how manipulative those labs can be.  They probably donated to the Bush campaign in fact.
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 08:21:32 PM »
Oooops.  Where to go now.

What I loved was the lineup that only included suspected players. No matter who she pointed out, they would have been one of the suspected players.

Can you say "stacking the deck"?
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 08:29:57 PM »
What I loved was the lineup that only included suspected players. No matter who she pointed out, they would have been one of the suspected players.

Can you say "stacking the deck"?


Do you think we get any zelous prosecution over here in Long Beach, where a plethora of Black teenagers and young adults have been charged with hate crimes for a vicious attack against 3 white girls?  One of the girls I believe either suffered hearing loss or vision loss. 

And notice how you're not hearing a peep about it in the mainscream media?  Can you imagine the wall to wall coverage if this were.....ohhhh, let's say 3 black girls attacked by a bunch of white young adults....like on a LaCrosse team?
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 08:45:49 PM »
If they tested all the White guys at the scene, then it would appear that she was not raped at all, or her rapist(s) wore a condom.
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I personally feel that the rich fratboys were very stupid to hire these two particular strippers.
Or any strippers.

They paid them $800 and got a really poor show. And accused of stuff that will follow them forever.

There is a good reason why God made porn tapes.
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 09:51:35 PM »
If they tested all the White guys at the scene, then it would appear that she was not raped at all, or her rapist(s) wore a condom.

According to the accuser, she did not have sex with anyone in the two weeks previous, so the only male DNA would have to come from her rapist(s). If they used a condom, either no DNA would be found or (more likely) they would still find DNA. Wearing a condom does not prevent DNA traces being left, especially with a violent act such as a rape.
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 09:54:17 PM »
the rich fratboys

The fratboys were not "rich" either. Most of them were there on scholarships. I know that at least one was the son of a NJ cop - a profession not known for having a lot of "rich folks" working in it. Most of them were children of blue collar households. And mostly from the north, as well, not "southern good ol' boys" as has also been claimed around here.
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 01:02:48 PM »
Here is how you know who is rich. They join frats.
I worked my way through a BA an MA and a PhD and I was never broke but I sure as hell didn't have any money for frats.

Duke is an elite university with elite frats. Most of the students are from the Northeast, it is true.

The fact that you "know" one cop's kid who went there does not make them all charity cases. Police make pretty good money in NY and NJ. I know a couple of NYPD types that retired after 20 years and made more on their pensions than I make teaching full time with a PhD.

But my main point was not about them being rich.

It was about them being stupid to hire those dancers in the first place.
Doesn't paying a couple of dancers $800 apiece for  a couple of hours' entertainment sound a tad like something that rich stupid fratboys might do?

I am pretty sure you and I are too smart to do this. At least I am


Or are you going to tell me that this was a clever idea?

I don't see how it would have been a clever idea if all concerned had gotten laid with orgasms all around and a good time had been had by all.


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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 03:13:33 PM »
The fact that you "know" one cop's kid who went there does not make them all charity cases.

I "know" that one of the suspected boys in this case was the son of a NJ cop. I have also read that most of these boys came from blue collar backgrounds. I am not making a generalization from personal history as you are, I am speaking of facts presented about this particular situation.

Police make pretty good money in NY and NJ. I know a couple of NYPD types that retired after 20 years and made more on their pensions than I make teaching full time with a PhD.

Median police officer's salary for New Jersey is $62,000. Not exactly rich by anyone's measure.

Doesn't paying a couple of dancers $800 apiece for  a couple of hours' entertainment sound a tad like something that rich stupid fratboys might do?

Hmm. 2 dancers at $800 each, divided by 43 players = $32.70. Less than $35 for 2 hours entertainment? Doesn't sound so outrageous to me. Between a cover charge and few tips and drinks, they could have easily spent double that at a nude bar for the same entertainment.

Or are you going to tell me that this was a clever idea?

It was frugal, at any rate. Boys that age like to watch strippers dance. Fact of life.
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Re: DNA in Duke rape case not linked to athletes
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 10:15:22 PM »
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