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Broken Army
« on: December 21, 2006, 01:03:37 AM »
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=10193

    
December 20, 2006
Broken Army, Broken Empire
by Patrick J. Buchanan

The insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan have thus far cost fewer U.S. lives than the Filipino insurgency of 1899-1902. Yet Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker warned Congress last week the U.S. Army "will break" without more troops.

We started this war "flat-footed," with 500,000 fewer soldiers than we had before the Gulf War, says the general, who wants 7,000 soldiers added yearly to the 507,000 on active duty.

The Army is "about broken," agrees Colin Powell, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Powell believes we "are losing the war" in Iraq, but opposes any "surge" of 15,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops, as urged by Sen. John McCain.

"There are no additional troops," says Powell. "All we would be doing is keeping some of the troops who were there, there longer, and escalating or accelerating the arrival of other troops."

CentCom commander Gen. John Abizaid lately told an audience at Harvard, "This is not an Army that was built to sustain 'a long war.'"

Retired Gen. Kevin Ryan agrees: "Today, the 37 combat brigades of the active Army are almost totally consumed by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. With all units either deployed, returning from deployment, or preparing to deploy, there is none left to prepare for other contingencies."

Yet, adds Ryan, "Our published defense strategy requires a military that can defend our homeland, sustain two major wars, be present in key regions abroad, and fight a global war on terrorism. With Marine and Army ground forces barely able to fight the two major wars, the other security tasks are left to flyovers and ship visits from our Air Force and Navy."

What these generals are saying is ominous. Not only is the United States "losing" the war in Iraq, the Army is breaking and we do not have the troops to meet the commitments America has made all over the world. In short, U.S. foreign policy is bankrupt. We cannot meet all the IOUs we have outstanding if several are called at once.

What kind of superpower is it whose army can be "broken" by two insurgencies that have required only half the number of troops we sent to Korea, and a third of the number we sent to Vietnam?

If our Army is "about broken" now, how do we propose to defend the Baltic republics and, if Bush and the neocons get their way, Ukraine and Georgia from a revanchist Russia? How could we fight a second Korean war, the first of which required a third of a million men?

If our Army is "about broken," has our commander in chief lost his mind when he issues bellicose ultimatums to Tehran? And if our Army is not built to "sustain a long war," are not those people insane who talk wildly of fighting "World War IV"? In World War II, we had 12 million men under arms on V-E Day.

Our Army, says Abizaid, is not "built to sustain a long war." Yet we are committed by NATO to defend Central and Eastern Europe – including the Baltic republics and the eastern Balkans, against a resurgent Russia. We are committed to defend Israel, Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states from Iran. We are committed to defend Afghanistan from the Taliban, South Korea from North Korea, and Japan and Taiwan from China.

Who do we think we are kidding? America today is like an auto insurance company with the cash on hand to handle one or two fender-benders, but anything beyond that means Chapter 11.

In the Reagan decade, writes national security analyst William Hawkins, the United States had 18 Army divisions. Clinton cut it to 10. Yet, since Reagan, we have not cut commitments, but added to them: in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Gulf, and the Taiwan Strait.

The American Imperium is hollow. We have nowhere near the troops to sustain the security commitments and war guarantees we have ladled out. Like the Brits in 1945, ours is an overstretched empire with a sinking currency, whose enemies are salivating at the prospect of being in on the kill.

America may need a larger Army. More imperative is the need for a radical reduction in treaty and war commitments.

While the U.S. Navy and Air Force remain supreme, the Army and Marines are, as Abizaid says, too small a force to fight a long war. We must adjust our commitments to reflect our capabilities and, beyond that, to defend only what is truly vital to the national security.

While our armed forces are more than adequate to defend us, they are insufficient to defend an empire. Rather than bleed and bankrupt the nation endlessly, we should let go of the empire.

Americans must learn how to mind our own business and cease to meddle in other nation's quarrels. Iraq was never a threat to the United States. Only our mindless intervention has made it so.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 01:16:32 AM »
Does this really mean that the Army is broken in Iraq , or does it mean that it was reduced too much since 1989?

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 01:18:43 AM »
Does this really mean that the Army is broken in Iraq , or does it mean that it was reduced too much since 1989?

 It means it is broken!  :P You dare doubt the Buchanaon ?

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 01:24:14 AM »
Does this really mean that the Army is broken in Iraq , or does it mean that it was reduced too much since 1989?

 It means it is broken!  :P You dare doubt the Buchanaon ?


If the Army were the size it was in 1989 there would be no brokenness , we don't need to do anything new or unusual.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 01:43:35 AM »
I doubt the Buchanon and as much as i wish we could be isolationist, that won't happen nor should it in the world of today.

BTW the Army isn't broken, the american people are.

They are the ones not willing to be involved in long wars.


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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 03:18:24 AM »
A long war like what? Vietnam or another Iraq? No, I'm not willing. I'm not broken, either. 
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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 10:20:07 AM »
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A long war like what?

A war your representative government decides is necessary. a war you have been complaining about since day 1.

And of course you aren't willing.

You want your freedom and you want your security and you talk about shared sacrifice, but that's just your lips moving, because you certainly aren't willing to pay the price.

And if that isn't broken, what is?


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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 11:55:08 AM »
I doubt the Buchanon and as much as i wish we could be isolationist, that won't happen nor should it in the world of today.

BTW the Army isn't broken, the american people are.

They are the ones not willing to be involved in long wars.



I truly hope you keep criticizing US. You will never gain power or future tax-cuts again.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 12:16:39 PM »

As for the wisdom of the Iraq war, I will repeat what I said a few weeks ago: "With the benefit of retrospect, any politician who would still invade  Iraq risks not so much losing votes but figuring when he'd be released from the mental institution." The unknowns unleashed by the invasion -- which our "planners" completely failed to account for -- totally overwhelmed each succeeding then discarded rationale the administration had to offer. The invasion was a mistake. The occupation is a disaster. The question is not whether we can "win" but whether we can create a "success" -- the best outcome possible and nothing more -- out of this mess. It is not so much a matter of the American people bucking up for a long war as it is the government's defining the problem we now face correctly and defining the "mission" going forward. I will add without elaboration that Iraq, in my estimation, is only a battle in the larger conflict with violent, radical Islam. As such it is not a "make or break" event according to the ideas President Bush puts forth, but rather a matter that has to be managed optimally in terms of the larger goal. Stupid prevailed once in this sorry saga; it should not be allowed to prevail again.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 12:35:16 PM »
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It is not so much a matter of the American people bucking up for a long war as it is the government's defining the problem we now face correctly and defining the "mission" going forward. I will add without elaboration that Iraq, in my estimation, is only a battle in the larger conflict with violent, radical Islam. As such it is not a "make or break" event according to the ideas President Bush puts forth, but rather a matter that has to be managed optimally in terms of the larger goal. Stupid prevailed once in this sorry saga; it should not be allowed to prevail again.

Sure it is. The American People had plenty of opportunity to question the war pre invasion. The American Peoples representatives had plenty of opportunity to vote no against authorization. The missing ingredient was courage. The same ingredient missing from the American people. They fail the gut check. And the "enemy" knows this. They have known it since Viet Nam.

The decision in front of the American people is simple.

Do we become a nation held hostage by terrorists or not.

The war in Iraq is a front in that war and if we run from there with our tail between our legs, who guarantees we will have the will to draw a line in the sand come the next front?

You have spent days faulting Bush for the selling of the war yet have spent little time examining the underlying principles of the war. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. Sounds like political gamesmanship to me.

You have the congress. Do what you will. Consider your moves carefully. Our grandchildren depend on you making the right move.


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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2006, 12:46:37 PM »
I consider that reply to be an insult. Since when are you in a position to define "courage" for everybody else and to grandly sweep away the utter complexity and intractability of this problem. Like Bush, your mind can come up with nothing more profound than "bring it on." I disagree. And I've asked for a full explanation, which you've failed to give, not a strategy of relying on the false "courage" of an Iceland sailor.

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2006, 12:56:58 PM »
What's more, the "resistance" in Iraq is only a small fraction al-Qaeda, somewhat negligible at this point, and instead is comprised of Sunni insurgents and Shi'ite militia, indigenous forces unleashed by the invasion itself and subject not so much to military defeat by the US but internal political settlement in Iraq itself, which isn't going very well.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 12:58:23 PM »
You asked for a response in another thread, which i gave, your satisfaction with that response not my concern.

This thread concerns a broken army, and like so much of the rhetoric from people of your ilk it misses the mark. The army isn't broken, we are. And if that insults you, too bad.

I have never begrudged you your lack of service, i don't see why you should belittle mine.

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Re: Broken Army
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 08:21:24 PM »
I consider that reply to be an insult. Since when are you in a position to define "courage" for everybody else and to grandly sweep away the utter complexity and intractability of this problem. Like Bush, your mind can come up with nothing more profound than "bring it on." I disagree. And I've asked for a full explanation, which you've failed to give, not a strategy of relying on the false "courage" of an Iceland sailor.


Nice Huff you have there.


BT has all the right to define courage , same way that you have all the right to define wisdom.

Whether you are convinceing in your definition depends on your presentation and the receptiveness of the audience.

It is not required to be correct , accurate or factual to be beleived , I like to think it helps , but I am certain that it is not a requirement.

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 08:29:25 PM »
The preferred course is this: wisdom before courage.