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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #150 on: July 02, 2011, 11:17:47 PM »
Remember the War of Jenkins Ear?

Georgia was founded as a buffer to slow the raiding Spanish and serve as a base for raids on the Spanish, also as a good dumping spot for ruffians.

Your point?

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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #151 on: July 03, 2011, 12:41:33 AM »
There is really a lot of precident for capturing. even populating, a buffer zone.

If it serves the peace it might be the right thing to do....

When Isreal had less buffer it was a seeming weak and tempting target, it did get attacked.

Was giving up the Sainai a good decision?

If it was a good decision to trade the saiani for a Peace treaty, why don't the Isrelis think that giveing up more would also be a good decision?

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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #152 on: July 03, 2011, 12:56:56 AM »
I think the Golan Heights is a separate issue than the West Bank and the Jerusalem question. And if and when Syria and Israel do get to the peace table I'm sure there will be exchanges of land, if only so both sides can save face with their own peoples.

The West Bank concerns the future State of Palestine. Again there will be give and take as far as borders are concerned. That seems to be what the whole 67 borders plus land swaps means.

But does placing settlements in disputed lands further the peace or just antagonize the situation further.


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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #153 on: July 03, 2011, 01:23:11 AM »
Why are both sides so eager for discrimination , segregation and apartied?

Did Americans gain peace better with segregation or with integration?

Giveing back to the looser what he lost in the game doesn't change the game in a way that ends the game , it just stratsd the next play a few yards downfeild.

I don't see why there should be any expectation of improvement from moving the border west snd hsrdening the apartied.

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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #154 on: July 03, 2011, 01:31:52 AM »
Interesting that you introduce apartheid. Is that not what the Israeli plan is with the demands of recognition of a Jewish State, and how that affects the so called right of return?

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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #155 on: July 03, 2011, 09:57:19 AM »
Interesting that you introduce apartheid. Is that not what the Israeli plan is with the demands of recognition of a Jewish State, and how that affects the so called right of return?


Is it the Isrelis that insist on aparthied or the Palestinians?

There have been Arab citizens of Isreal from the first, Palistinians have been striveing for ethnic purity in government and neighborhoods.

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Re: The Palestinians of 1967
« Reply #156 on: July 03, 2011, 01:42:28 PM »
Both Israelis and Palestinians prefer to live in separate communities.

Muslim calls to prayer annoy non-Muslims. Mosques tend to be large,and there is a lot of traffic on streets leading to them.

Orthodox Jews like to string up a wire around their areas so they can consider the entire neighborhood as "home", thereby lessening Shabbat restrictions. The Orthodox do not want anyone operating vehicles on Shabbos. Some will throw rocks at cars driven by Jews to break their windshields and teach them a lesson about how to keep the Shabbos holy.

Here in Florida, Jews expect to live in Jewish communities. Builders expect this as well. When they built the California Club in North Miami-Dade County, each apartment was built with two kitchens  a Mezuza screwed to the doorjamb. Gentiles do not have Mezuzas, and will not pay extra for two kitchens.

Surprise! Jews who immigrate to Israel prefer to live amidst other Jews. That is why the immigrate, probably a major reason for many or maybe most.

The main reason for walling off the Palestinians is supposed to be a security thing, but Israeli Jews mostly prefer to have Jewish neighbors. Palestinians prefer to have Palestinian neighbors. These people are not Americans. Israeli Jews do not think like Americans, as a rule. American Jews who prefer the US do not immigrate to Israel.

Lots of Israeli Jews get fed up with Israel and come here. I think we have more Israeli Jews coming here than American Jews going there.
 
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