The Palestinians of 1967

[sirs]

Given current facts and reality (which includes Iranian rhetoric of advocating the cessation of the country of Israel), I'll go with the backing of Israel, though only if asked, since the preemption was not on people but a means of weaponry to massively try to take out Israeli peoples

[BT]

and if there were Iranian casualties during this preemptive strike?

[sirs]

War has them

[BT]

War has them

So you would consider a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran as an act of war?

[sirs]

Yes, as Israel is already in a state of war. 

In this hypothetical you keep using, don't be surprised if such an attack is taken in the very late/early morning hours, where such casualties would be at a minimum.  Can't say the same about Arab terrorists targeting discos in their busiest hours, or buses, when they're at their fullest

[BT]

Yes, as Israel is already in a state of war. 

In this hypothetical you keep using, don't be surprised if such an attack is taken in the very late/early morning hours, where such casualties would be at a minimum.  Can't say the same about Arab terrorists targeting discos in their busiest hours, or buses, when they're at their fullest

Are their particular countries they are in this perpetual war with?

[sirs]

Anyone that keeps picking on them, either directly or in support.  That would include Iran

[Xavier_Onassis]

There is no state of war between Israel and Iran.

All they do is hurl stupid insults at one another.

[sirs]

Didn't state there was a "state of war", merely referencing a country that Israel has an absolute legitimate military concern, that would justify an "act of war".  Syria would also fall into that category, as would Lebanon

[BT]

Didn't state there was a "state of war", merely referencing a country that Israel has an absolute legitimate military concern, that would justify an "act of war".  Syria would also fall into that category, as would Lebanon

Yes you did.

Right here.

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=15386.msg126980#msg126980

[sirs]

Yea, you're right.  I ammend that previous statement to add that yes, Isreal is in a state of war, and justified in using whatever military interventions necessary to defend itself.  Iran, Syria, and Lebanon all with Israeli sniper scopes aimed in their direction, in the event they try to pull anything

[BT]

Yea, you're right.  I ammend that previous statement to add that yes, Isreal is in a state of war, and justified in using whatever military interventions necessary to defend itself.  Iran, Syria, and Lebanon all with Israeli sniper scopes aimed in their direction, in the event they try to pull anything

Wouldn't Iran, Syria and Lebanon be equally justified in pre-emptively attacking Israeli strongholds since they are in a state of war with Israel?

[sirs]

Why?  When's the last time Israel was threatening to push Syria....further into the desert?

Not sure what game you're playing here Bt.  Israel is the one surrounded.  Israel is the one that's supposed to acquiesce to an even smaller defensible territory, while the surrounding enemies don't need to do squat.  Israel is the one just trying to survive, while surrounding Arab neighbors threaten their very existence, be it directly or by proxy via terrorists organizations. 

And you're trying to provide a rationalization as to what they "should" be able to do??     

[BT]

Why?  When's the last time Isreal was threatening to push Syria....further into the desert?

Didn't Israel launch an air strike against a Syrian Nuclear facility?

Operation Orchard was an Israeli airstrike on a nuclear reactor site in the Deir ez-Zor region[5] of Syria carried out just after midnight (local time) on September 6, 2007.

Yes they did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

[sirs]

Done because.........?  context Bt, context please.  I didn't claim Israel doesn't perform pre-emptive strikes, they're done because.....................(hint, it's not to abolish the country of Syria)

But by all means, messers Syria & Iran can indeed perform a preemptive strike, upon Isreal........at their own peril

Oh, and thanks for helping to validate my other point....the notion of Israel doing what it can to minimize casualties, with an airstrike carried out "just after midnight".  Can't say the same for Islamic terrorists with their proxy supporters, and their strikes on discos & buses now, can we