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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2011, 07:22:40 PM »
yeah yeah sure XO......Debka is crap
But Fidel Castro predicts war with Iran...well dats different boss!
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So if I say that Debkafiles publishes crap, it means, to your twisted mind, that I actually believe everything that Fidel says?

What sort of stupid, twisted logic is that? At no point have I ever claimed that Fidel was an expert on Middle Eastern politics.

War was not imminent when anyone said it, which has been demonstrated by history.
Freedom of navigation and drilling rights are entirely different matters.

If I have the right to walk across your driveway on the sidewalk in front of your house, that does not mean I have the right to drill a well there.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2011, 01:07:28 PM »
So if I say that Debkafiles publishes crap, it means, to your twisted mind, that I actually believe
everything that Fidel says?

You're such a joke.
I have in this thread already posted multiple sources of respected media outlets that basically
publish the exact same thing as Debka on a particular topic but you in your antisemitic pursuit
to "demonize the messenger" appear incapable of seeing your own double-standard.

War was not imminent when anyone said it, which has been demonstrated by history.

school teacher needs to look up the word "imminent" in a dictionary because he obviously
does not comprehend the definition of the word.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2011, 05:13:55 PM »
If there was no war a year after a war was labelled "Imminent", then the word was misused.

Face it, Debkafiles is simply Zionist propaganda and should be ignored.

Watch and see how Turkey and Greece do not go to war, just as Israel has not bombed Iran, as Debkafiles was hysterically predicting again and again.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2011, 10:22:04 PM »
Debkafiles was hysterically predicting again and again.

More lies from the resident anti-Semitic racist of 3DHS!
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2011, 06:17:22 PM »
Top US Intel official in Ankara to head off naval clash, bring Palestinians to talks

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

September 19, 2011


James Clapper's triple mission in Ankara

The US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper arrived in Ankara on an urgent surprise visit Sunday night Sept. 18 as Turkish saber-rattling threatened three major US interests:
Sunday, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the information gathered by the US radar system to be stationed in Turkey's Malatya province as part of the NATO missile-shield would not be shared with Israel ? thereby disrupting the entire system; Monday, US Noble Energy began drilling gas off Cyprus in defiance of Turkish threats; and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' headed to New York to promote UN acceptance of a Palestinian state ? with Ankara's encouragement.

Clapper went straight into talks with the Turkish General Staff, the National Intelligence Agency (MIT) and Foreign Ministry. No official statement was issued on the visit. Turkish sources indicated only that it concerned the planned deployment of the NATO radar system, the fight against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) "as well as other developments in the Middle East."

However, debkafile's intelligence sources report that Clapper was in Turkey for a last-ditch Obama administration bid to avert sea and air hostilities erupting between Turkey, Greece, Cyprus and Israel in the eastern Mediterranean where tensions have been building up over Turkish threats inter alia against offshore gas exploration by Israel and Cyprus.

The US intelligence official's assignment in Ankara tied in with another last-ditch Washington effort, namely to break down Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas's stubborn resolve to press for UN acceptance of a Palestinian state and to sidestep peace negotiations with Israel.

Intelligence reaching the Obama administration traces that obduracy to a quiet conversation Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan held with Abbas in Cairo on Sept. 12.  Since then, the Palestinian leader has dug in his heels against every effort to divert him from his UN gambit ? even after Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair persuaded Israeli Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to show flexibility on such thorny issues as Palestinian acceptance of a Jewish national state and the 1967 borders.

The reason was so unreceptive - even to the near-certainty of US aid cutbacks - was a guarantee, administration sources found he obtained from Erdogan, that Turkey would provide the Palestinian Authority with the financial assistance it needed to make up for the reduced flow of aid from the US and Israel ? provided he stuck to his guns.

On the day of their Cairo conversation, Ankara leaked tough new instructions issued by the Erdogan government to the Turkish Navy to pen Israeli warships inside their 12-mile territorial waters and disable the weapons of any vessels sailing beyond that limit.

Erdogan's purpose was to impress the Palestinian leader with the seriousness of Turkish willingness to confront Israel and the United States and persuade him that the Palestinians' best interests lay with aligning with Ankara.

Those sources report that the Palestinian fell for the Erdogan line and determined to stage his own confrontation with Washington and Jerusalem at the United Nations. Friday, Sept. 16, he formally announced he was committed to filing an application with the UN Security Council for Palestinian membership of the world body, despite repeated warnings that it would fail.

debkafile's Washington sources report that, as a last resort, after Israel's flexibility had no effect, the administration sent a high-ranking envoy to take all the issue up with the Turkish prime minister. Since Erdogan had enough influence to persuade Abbas to clash with the US and Israel, he was also believed capable of persuading him to back off.

James Clapper was also commissioned to caution Turkish leaders against continuing their threatened military brinkmanship in the Mediterranean. Another demand was that Ankara line up behind Washington's campaign to revive Palestinian-Israeli negotiations in lieu of their UN initiative and makes sure Mahmoud Abbas knew about the Turkish policy switch.

Following Davutoglu's statement on the X-band radar, Clapper was authorized to warn the Erdogan government that if it barred the sharing of information with Israel, the plan for its installation in Turkey would have to be abandoned. The entire missile shield system is based on a network of advanced radar stations scattered across the Middle East, including the Israeli Negev, and Israel's highly-developed ability to intercept Iranian ballistic missiles.

President Obama has scheduled a meeting with Erdogan for Tuesday, Sept. 20 , on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly session in New York. The expeditious Clapper mission was meant to make sure ahead of the interview , Ankara smoothed out the bumps in the ground between Turkey and the United States on the three explosive issues .
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2011, 11:40:24 AM »
It is more likely than Malta staging an assault on Capri, or the Dardanelles being invaded by Bosnians, so it is perhaps the most likely place in the Mediterranean. But some sort of rebel attack on some loyalist place on the Syrian coast is also possible.

The odds that anyone will actually get hurt are small.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2011, 09:59:53 PM »
It is more likely than Malta staging an assault on Capri, or the Dardanelles being invaded by Bosnians,

So you think President Obama is way off base and wasting the American taxpayer's
money by sending his top US Intel official to Turkey to head off a clash?
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 12:24:12 AM »
Of course, avoiding conflict between allies is always a good idea. The cost of sending diplomats is negligible, and has benefits even when not entirely necessary.

Why would I be against that?

It does not make Debkafiles accurate.
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2011, 08:03:25 AM »
Of course, avoiding conflict between allies is always a good idea. Why would I be against that?

LOL....I see you want it both ways.
On one hand you basically claim there is no chance of war....
Then you approve of Obama sending over his head guy trying prevent the conflict.
So which is it?
If there is no chance of a conflict then why the need to send his guy to diffuse what you claim wont happen?
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2011, 04:11:46 PM »
It shows that the US is concerned with the issue, of course, and therefore is a wise move.

Even though you just bought four new run-flat tires, that is not a reason to throw out the jack and the spare, is it?
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 05:29:05 PM »
Even though you just bought four new run-flat tires, that is not a reason to throw out the jack and the spare, is it?

The whole point of run-flat tires is to allow you to reduce the vehicle weight by not carrying a jack and spare and therefore increase fuel economy. Why *wouldn't* you throw out the jack and spare?
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2011, 06:16:34 PM »
It shows that the US is concerned with the issue, of course, and therefore is a wise move.

so let me get this straight
Obama is so concerned about conflict outbreak he sends his top intel guy to Turkey
and that has your full approval....afterall "it's a wise move"
but when debka reports about the possibility of the conflict that Obama sent his man to
ah hell....well thats just non-sense and ridiculous!
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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2011, 11:38:13 AM »
Turkish warships harass Israeli freighters.
Israeli missile boats off Cyprus


DEBKAfile  Exclusive Report 
October 2, 2011, 11:10 AM (GMT+02:00)


Israel F-15 warplanes react to Turkish harassment

Increasingly assertive Turkey is setting the scene for clashes in the eastern Mediterranean. Since Thursday, Sept. 29, Turkish warships have been harassing Israeli merchant vessels in waters off Cyprus, debkafile's military sources report. They come close enough to establish wireless communication and caution the Israeli vessels they are in contravention of international law and ordering them to change course. The Israeli crews mostly ignore these "orders", treating them as Ankara's latest bid to assert Turkish naval mastery of the Eastern Mediterranean. But the situation is getting explosive enough to spark a major incident.

Over the weekend, Israeli Air Force planes circled near the sites of the incidents but not directly over the Turkish vessels. At the same time Israeli missile ships sailed close to Cyprus's Exclusive Economic Zone waters, where the Houston-based Noble Energy began drilling for natural gas on Sept. 19 in the face of Turkish threats. The rig is situated 160 kilometers south of Cyprus adjacent to Israel's Leviathan gas field.

Western naval sources tracking the new Turkish and Israeli deployments reported Saturday, Oct. 1: "Turkey and Israel are in a constant muscle-flexing contest in the eastern Mediterranean. They are metaphorically shaking fists in each other's faces and raising the risk of a confrontation that could quickly veer out of control."

Last week, Ankara retaliated for Cypriot and Israeli deep sea gas explorations by sending an exploration ship of its own escorted by a frigate and a submarine to Cyprus. Ankara sources also disclosed that Turkish F-16 fighters had been deployed in the northern part of the island.

Voicing concern over Turkey's assertiveness, NATO secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Friday, Sept. 30, said: "Obviously, the tensions between Turkey and Israel are a matter of concern. It's a bilateral issue ? NATO is not going to interfere with that. But it is the interest of the alliance to see these tensions eased, because Turkey is a key ally and Israel is a valuable partner for the alliance."

The NATO Secretary contradicted Ankara's claim that Israel would not be allowed to open an office at alliance headquarters in Brussels. "NATO defense ministers agreed during the meeting in April that NATO partners can have offices? This includes all partners," he said.

Referring to concern about the tensions over natural gas exploration "between Turkey and Cyprus as well as Israel," Rasmussen said: "I urge all parties to find peaceful solutions to disputes through constructive dialogue." He said he did not expect armed clashes in the region. However, he suggested that Turkey has to be managed carefully as it asserts a growing role on the global stage.

Also Saturday, Cyprus President Dimitris Christofias had this message for Ankara: "I wish to underline to all those who attempt to question this right of the Republic of Cyprus: our sovereign rights are non-negotiable."

Five days ago, the prime ministers of Greece and Turkey, George Papandreou and Tayyip Erdogan talked by phone. And four days ago, Adm. James Stavridis, Commander of NATO forces in Europe, flew to Ankara directly from Israel for talks with Turkish leaders.

Turkish harassment of Israeli cargo vessels began after those interchanges, indicating that the Erdogan government has no intention of meeting exasperated US and NATO efforts to cool rising tensions in the eastern Mediterranean.


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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2011, 11:56:19 AM »
Without going back and reading the 2 pages of this thread, I give a decisive NO - Turkey will not be going to war with anyone. They are posturing right now, and analysis are saying that Erdogan really has to take a defensive posture because of the mood of his nation... not because he has any serious intention of going to war with anyone. And that Israel understands that as well.

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Re: Will Nato member Turkey go to war with Greece and Israel?
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2011, 01:38:18 PM »
In the Middle East, every country does a huge amount of truculent huffing and puffing, (which is what Debkafiles does for the Israelis), but that is all it is. There will be no war. No one will get hurt.

What does Israel have that Turkey wants or needs?

What does Turkey have that Israel could force them to give them?
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