Syria in pain

[Christians4LessGvt]

"to colonialists like Netanyahu"

ha!
Netanyahu is no more a "colonialist" that you and your ancestors
You sit on "stolen lands" while typing your replies on 3DHS
You're fraud "high horse" judgement stinks

for the past 40 years or so, we would have far better relations with the Arab world. It has not helped that we have also sucked up to tyrants like Sadat and Mubarak and the Saudi royals and even Saddam over the years.

Oh sure.....there would have been no tyrants had we not been involved
after-all where we are not involved there are such lovely leaders.

US Mideast policy has been influenced by two major factors: Jewish money and Israeli expansion and greedhead Big Oil. Both have made us unpopular in the area, neither has proven to be in the interests of the American people.

Yes we are the "boogey-men" and little tiny Isreal is the reason 22 Arab countries,
300 million Arabs are basically failures. All these brutal Arab dictatorships would be
perfect paradises where people would walk on flower petals and be happy happy happy.
All their failures are our fault. The billions/trillions we have paid them....it's our fault
that they dont use it wisely to unleash their peoples from bondage while their leaders
like in Iran pursue terror instead of quality of life and standards of livings for their people.

"The Taliban exists because of all this"

Islamic extremism would & has existed long before the United States even existed.
If the US did not exist today there would be IslamoNazis killing infidels....
read the Koran....it predates the United States...and it's right there to read!

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Koran is read and memorized IN ARABIC by Muslims all over the world. But most Muslims, including Afghans, do not understand Arabic.

It is written in verse, and for Afghanis and Pakistanis, it is written in an incomprehensible language. It is organized by the length of the verses. Just read the fool thing sometime. You will have more luck getting a political meaning out of it than from the Book of flipping Mormon.

It has about as much relevance to Afghans as Ecclesiastes, Leviticus and Deuteronomy make to a sixth grader.

Only when attacked by the Russians did the Taliban arise as a political movement. The Russians attacked because of raids across their borders by Islamic guerrillas financed and armed by the US as per Brezinski's plan to avenge the Polish aristocracy by Stalin.

Your knowledge of history is deficient. Too bad you cannot afford an expensive historian like the Newtster.

[Christians4LessGvt]

"The Koran is read and memorized IN ARABIC by Muslims all over the world"
Oh really? Then why is it on Amazon and BarnesNoble.com in English?
http://www.amazon.com/Quran-English-Translation-Commentary-Arabic/dp/091332101X
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-holy-quran-abdullah-yusuf-ali/1103449393
And what a bunch of non-sense anyway.
I am sure none of them understand Friday Prayer either.
Thats like saying Catholics did not understand the mass when it was in Latin.

"Only when attacked by the Russians did
the Taliban arise as a political movement"

Islam is and has always been a "political movement".
It is a "sham religion". Religious faith is only a part of Islam.
The rest is a socially engineered society
with its own laws and customs that seriously
conflict with American law, western laws and values.
Islam has a global mission to take over and run the world
according to Islamic Shariah law. How can we call that a religion?
It is a governing doctrine that not only dictates religious beliefs,
but also social behavior that includes laws, penalties and punishments,
not by God, but by people if the laws are not obeyed.
Islam is a form of government, not a religion

Whether the Russians attacked or not has
very little consequence on the big picture
concerning the clash of civilizations that
was always out there and coming.

Your knowledge of history is deficient.

Your knowledge of reality is deficient.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Assad may start regional war
if UN tells him to step down - Gulf sources

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

January 31, 2012, 7:23 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags:


Syrian officers visit Russian aircraft carrier in Tartus port

In confidential conversations with his advisers, Syrian President Bashar Assad is reported by Persian Gulf sources Tuesday, Jan. 31 to have threatened to start up armed hostilities in the region if the UN Security Council Tuesday night endorses the Arab League proposal for him to step down and hand power to his deputy.

Those sources told debkafile that the heads of the Syrian armed forces and intelligence have been given their orders and some units are on the ready. Other Middle East sources reported that the Lebanese Hizballah has also shown signs of military preparations in the last few hours. And the Russian flotilla berthed at the Syrian port of Tartus, led by the Admiral Kutznetsov aircraft carrier, also appears to be on the alert for ructions in the wake of the Security Council Syria session.

During the day, Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov warned that pushing the Arab League's UN resolution was "the path to civil war." Our Moscow sources report that top-level discussions are still going back and forth in the Kremlin over a final decision on a veto.
debkafile reports that the military flurry in advance of the critical Security Council session included US naval movements.

Sunday, Jan. 29, the nuclear submarine USS Annapolis, escorted by the guided missile destroyer USS Momsen sailed through the Suez Canal to the Red Sea. This looked like a Washington warning for Tehran to keep its military fingers out of Syria if the confrontation there escalates.

It was not the first time Assad has threatened Syria's neighbors. On Aug. 9, 2011, four months into his savage crackdown against protesters, he warned Turkey that, six hours after the first shot was fired against Syria, he would "destroy Tel Aviv and set the entire Middle East on fire."

That was his answer to Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu when he came to Damascus with a demand from his and other NATO governments that the Syrian ruler stop the slaughter.  .

Davutoglu urged Assad to take a look at Libya and try to understand that if he carried on, he might be in for the same fate as Muammar Qaddafi, a strong hint at military intervention by NATO, including Turkey.

Earlier still on May 10, one of Assad's close kinsmen, the international tycoon Rami Makhlouf, warned: "If there is no stability in Syria, there will be none in Israel. No one can be sure what will happens after that. God help us if anything befalls this regime."

http://www.debka.com/article/21696/

[Plane]

   How desperate are the rebels in Syria?

    Are they eager enough, for the ouster of Assad, to allay with the one really well armed power in the neighborhood that hates Assad and Iran enough to arm and finance the rebellion?


     Is Isreal sitting this one out ? Is there no faction they could support and cheer for?

      Perhaps there isn't, if not should they aid the least evil?

[Christians4LessGvt]

"How desperate are the rebels in Syria?"

I dont think they are desperate.... I think they are gonna win.
As in Libya....not sure thats a good thing....but I guess we'll see.
Assad is a monster, but mostly in the Middle East one monster replaces the last one. (see Iran)

"Are they eager enough, for the ouster of Assad, to allay with the one really well
armed power in the neighborhood that hates Assad and Iran enough to arm and finance the rebellion?"

The Saudis and Turks are funding/helping.
The Saudis are spending huge sums to help get rid of Assad.

"Is Isreal sitting this one out ? Is there no faction they could support and cheer for?
Perhaps there isn't, if not should they aid the least evil?"

Mostly yes.
Watching very, very intently....but know involvement would be worse.
They may discreetly funnel help to someone less evil,
But they know most likely a new rat will probably emerge
there is always a chance for a miracle....but its a long shot
so there will be lots of cheering when Assad goes just like Egypt
then soon brutal reality will hit again...

[Xavier_Onassis]

If the Israelis help any of the Syrians, they will have to do it in such a way as to never be discovered.
They would certainly be interested in helping the rebels destroy Assad's weapons and ammo: any way that Syria would be less well armed certainly benefits them.

They are famous for bribing Palestinians to do their spying and dirty work. There are lots of men in Israel that could pass themselves off as Syrians, probably more Arabs than Jews.

[BSB]

You see the them vs us mentality of people like CU4? No different than the them vs us mentality he accuses the muslims of getting from Islam. Michael Tee suffered from the same condition. Unfortunately you're about as likely to get them to see the light as you would be getting a cat to bark. What we can do though is make sure we never put another one in the White House. If you remember, the last one we elected invaded Iraq.


BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

You see the them vs us mentality of people like CU4? No different than the them vs us mentality he accuses the muslims of getting from Islam.
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 I see it, but I do not agree with it.

Syria is a lesser threat to Israel and every other country when engaged in a civil war.