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The facts gun-grabbers won't consider

About the tragedy in Aurora, Colo., rapper/actor Ice-T made more sense – and has a better understanding of the Second Amendment – than gun-control proponents.

Asked by a London news anchor about America’s gun culture, Ice-T said: “Well, I’d give up my gun when everybody does. Doesn’t that make sense? … If there were guns here, would you want to be the only person without one?”

Anchor Krishnan Guru-Murthy, Channel 4 News: “So do you carry guns routinely at home?”

Ice-T: “Yeah, it’s legal in the United States. It’s part of our Constitution. You know, the right to bear arms is because that’s the last form of defense against tyranny. Not to hunt. It’s to protect yourself from the police.”

Anchor: “And do you see any link between that and these sorts of (Aurora-type) incidents?”

Ice-T: “No. Nah. Not really. You know what I’m saying, if somebody wants to kill people, you know, they don’t need a gun to do it.”

Anchor: “It makes it easier, though, doesn’t it?”

Ice-T: “Not really. You can strap explosives on your body. They do that all the time.”

Anchor: “So when there’s the inevitable backlash of the anti-gun lobby, as a result of this instance, as there always is –”

Ice-T: “Well, that’s not going to change anything. … The United States is based on guns.”

Security experts say a determined killer, willing to give up his own life, cannot be stopped. The odds, however, can be shifted in favor of the victims and would-be victims. How?

In Pearl, Miss., a gunman who killed two students and wounded seven at a high school was stopped by an assistant principal who rushed to his car and got his gun. The assistant principal, running back with his .45, spotted the rifle-carrying shooter in the parking lot. Ordering the teen to stop, the vice principal held his gun to the shooter’s neck until police arrived.

In Salt Lake City, a man purchased a knife in a grocery store, walked outside and stabbed and critically injured two men. He was threatening others, when a store patron with a concealed-weapons permit drew his gun, forced the attacker to the ground and held him until police arrived.

In Grundy, Va., a disgruntled student on the verge of his second suspension at Appalachian School of Law shot and killed the dean, a professor and a fellow student. Two students, both off-duty peace officers, ran to their cars, retrieved their guns and used them to halt the attack.

No one knows whether Aurora would have turned out differently had there been an armed patron or two inside the theater. But at the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting, where 32 people died, there was a no-guns policy – just as, apparently, at the movie theater in Aurora.

For a guaranteed blank stare, ask gun-control proponents how often Americans use guns to defend themselves. They can’t tell you, because they don’t ask.

Suppose a guy goes to a baseball game. “Honey,” his wife asks afterward, “who won the game?” The husband says, “The Dodgers scored four runs.” What’s missing? Obviously, the wife still knows nothing about the outcome because she knows only one-half of the equation. Well, how can one responsibly discuss “how many people die because of guns” without discussing the other half of the equation – how many people would not be alive without their defensive use of a gun?

So, how often do Americans use firearms for self-defense?

Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead.

Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: “We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don’t know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it’s not a trivial number.”

Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel studied gun control for the Cato Institute. Citing a 1979-1985 study by the National Crime Victimization Survey, Koppel found: “When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery – from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing – produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success.”

When asked if additional gun laws would be beneficial or have no effect, most Americans, like Ice-T, get it. They oppose shifting power to the criminal. And they don’t need the National Rifle Association to tell them: The only people willing to abide by additional gun laws are the law-abiding
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves....EACH YEAR
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 08:11:37 AM »
SIRS....it's funny watching the interviewer's reaction
you can tell it's like "whooops this ain't going the way we want it to"

Rapper Ice-T Defends The Right To Bear Arms! 07/20/12
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 10:27:15 AM »
 8)
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 11:42:20 PM »
    I don't know this guy well, but his attitude, in this interview, sounds a lot like mine.

     I don't consider this to be a rare attitude at all, and I note that he is comfortable to speak on behalf of his country.

     This interviewer could probly have found some American of the opposite opinion to also interview, but in the "both sides " style of interview , whose job is it to state that one side represents a much smaller minority?

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 10:59:39 PM »
It is amazing that there is anywhere to walk in countries that outlaw guns, what with all the corpses of the murdered laying about.

Gun nuts and just NUTS.
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Re: 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves....EACH YEAR
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 12:07:41 AM »
yeah see history for the millions slaughtered by those who had a monopoly on the guns.
another issue where you are attempting to over-ride the majority of Americans that support gun ownership.
you dont give a rats ass what the American people want....control freals never do...they think know better
but ya'll come try to take the guns....BRING IT ON!.....and bring those wussies from the UN too.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 01:29:11 AM »
It is amazing that there is anywhere to walk in countries that outlaw guns, what with all the corpses of the murdered laying about.

Gun nuts and just NUTS.


  You mean like Natzi era Germany?
  They got pretty good at disposing of corpses , even lots of them.

  How is it that you are trying to say something absurd , but only manage to state the plain truth?

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 02:24:24 AM »
It is amazing that there is anywhere to walk in countries that outlaw guns, what with all the corpses of the murdered laying about.

  You mean like Natzi era Germany?

OUCH
 
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 02:28:17 AM »
It is amazing that there is anywhere to walk in countries that outlaw guns, what with all the corpses of the murdered laying about.

Yea....at the expense of freedom....and severely degraded ability to defend oneself from a nut who illegally obtained a gun


Gun nuts and just NUTS.

Well, you got half of that right, as it relates to the left's idiocy, on this issue.  I'd also reference a severe level of ignorance, as well.  Especially in how easily one ignores the original point of this thread, in the millions of lives saved by a gun.  The person still living sure doesn't see themself or the person saved, as a nut
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 11:51:07 AM »
Just imagine the lives that would have been saved had every attendee at that Batman movie had been packing his own automatic AK-47.

Gun nuts are NUTS.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2012, 02:47:25 PM »
Just imagine the lives that would have been saved had every attendee at that Batman movie had been packing his own automatic AK-47.



Exactly!

How woould that crummy little coward have planned an attack if  thought there would have been return fire?

These incidents do not occur at gun shows, police academy firing ranges, not even Jujitsu Dojos.

Why would a madman plan to attack a well armed bunch , or even a croud where an unpredictable number had hidden pistols?

There are plenty of venues where large numbers gather and none of them will be armed, that is an attractive prey for a well armed coward.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2012, 10:01:51 PM »
Just imagine the lives that would have been saved had every attendee at that Batman movie had been packing his own automatic AK-47.

Kinda defeats the purpose of a concealed weapon now, doesn't it.   You'll of course point out anywhere in the original article, where an AK-47 was being used to defend themself


Gun nuts are NUTS.

Yea, we already went over the half part you got right
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 10:18:44 AM »
Either we control the guns and ammo used by lunatic mass murderers adequately, or we will continue to have mass murders. We have more of these by far than any other country not currently having a revolution. You gun nuts are to blame. You ignorte the facts and you are responsible, period.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 11:18:42 AM »
That's the point, we can't control what lunatic mass murderers will do.  CRIMINALS, BY DEFINITION, will kill using whatever they can get their hands on.  What we DON'T do is to strip away the law abiding from their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to bear arms.  And you can dispense with the strawman of NRA is pushing that everyone carry a bazooka.  ENFORCE the thousands of gun control laws we already have

So best move away from the hypocritical claim of ignoring facts, as they've been presented adnauseum, repeating how FAR MORE LIVES ARE SAVED using guns, than taken by them.  You ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL NUTS, get full blame for that
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 02:40:40 PM »
Yeah, sure.

How many mass murders have chosen a penknife, a dirk or a dagger as their weapon of choice?

This clown should never have been able to buy his gun or all that ammo. No one is safer because there are people strolling about with an automatic rifle and 6,000 rounds of ammo.

This is a gun nut problem. Observe how there are countries with lots of freedoms in which crap like this never or seldom occurs.
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