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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2013, 03:54:05 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2013, 04:31:46 PM »
Yeah, right.

Any day not the same thing is sure to happen in Canada, Australia, Spain and Norway.

Gun nuts are paranoid.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2013, 08:40:37 PM »
No, just constitutionally protected
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2013, 08:53:27 PM »
And raving paranoid.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2013, 12:43:52 AM »
Yeah, right.

Any day not the same thing is sure to happen in Canada, Australia, Spain and Norway.

Gun nuts are paranoid.

Do you consider Russia or Germany nor even Turkey were uncivilised at the time of these great massacres?


What is there about the USA that makes a great massacre impossible?

I also note that you include Spain in you list of countrys where large scale killing seems unlikely, but didn't Spain suffer a devestating war in the thirtys , that was a dress rehersal of WWII?

Paranoia is supposed to be unreasonable or exaggerated fealing of threat, but what have we got that these people didn't have preceding their periods of suffering?

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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2013, 12:56:37 AM »
Spain had a Civil War from 1936 to 1939. The right wing (royalists, church, fascists) and a renegade part of the army, along with Moroccan colonial mercenaries, attacked the democratically elected government of the Republic. The Spanish Civil War was about a lot of things, but it was NOT about gun control. There were elements of the armed forces and the police on both sides and there were plenty of guns. The Nazi and Italian Fascists had a major air force and better tanks and that is why they won.

It is pretty close to impossible that another civil war could occur in Spain today.

The NRA gun nuts may have a few assault rifles and millions of pistols, but they could never defeat the weapons that the US government has today: drones, cruise missiles, RPGs, heat rays, sleeping gas and lots of other stuff. No group of civilians is going to beat the US military with puny rifles and pistols. You are living in a dream world if you think so.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 01:18:08 AM »
The assumption that US military personnel would raise arms against their fellow citizens is not a lock.

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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2013, 01:47:32 AM »
Spain had a Civil War from 1936 to 1939........................................

It is pretty close to impossible that another civil war could occur in Spain today.



Why?

Have they learned something in particular since then?

Fascism and Communism took over pretty modern and civilised countrys.

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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2013, 10:55:15 AM »
The NRA gun nuts may have a few assault rifles and millions of pistols, but they could never defeat the weapons that the US government has today: drones, cruise missiles, RPGs, heat rays, sleeping gas and lots of other stuff. No group of civilians is going to beat the US military with puny rifles and pistols. You are living in a dream world if you think so.

Oh really?
You are the one living in a dream world.
Look at history....it is full of stronger wills defeating superior military hardware.

The Vietnamese "won" against a much stronger, better equipped American military, the Taliban will probably "win" against a much stronger better equipped American military, the Syrian rebels have held their own against a much stronger better equipped military of Assad, even the warlords in Somalia faired pretty well against a stronger better equipped US military. Go see "Blackhawk Down"! The US had to muster everything it had to deal with a much less well equipped enemy in Iraq after Saddam was removed. Relative military power is hardly a reliable predictor of war outcomes. Mujahideen in Afghanistan handed the Soviet Union military defeat. The Israelis with a much stronger military were basically forced to leave Lebanon. Hell the United States was founded upon a weaker military declaring independence from a stronger military. Of course the weaker enemy in all the above cases was not totally unarmed, but the point is they did not have nearly the military resources but still won.

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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2013, 11:07:00 AM »
Actually, WWII taught a whole lot of people a lot of lessons. The EU would have been unimaginable in 1939. The end of colonialism would have been opposed by nearly every country at that time.

The Constitution does not say there is a ban on registering guns. The declared purpose it to keep a"well regulated militia". I suggest that no militia of any sort can be regulated, well or otherwise, unless you know who is actually a member of it and what their arms are.

Again, it is really really stupid to believe that a ragtag mob of clowns with pistols and tricked out rifles have any chance of overthrowing the government. At most, they could scurry off to Galt's Gulch or somewhere like that and pretend to be partisans until the drones found them.

The military has a gas that can put everyone to sleep. The Russians used it in that Moscow theater against a bunch of Chechen kidnappers. Your puny NRA has no hope of doing more against the government or any other invader for more than  a few rather comical hours.

If you like the muy macho feeling that all this crap gives you, there are now TWO versions of "Red Dawn" that you can watch, in which the Nicaraguans and then the North Korean invaders are defeated.

There are many really stupid people in the unregulated phony militia of gun nuts. Watching them strut and blather is rather like enjoying the antics of  your choice trio of Shemp, Moe, Curly Joe, Joe and Larry.

Russia in 1917 was not any sort of modern or civilized country. Germany and Italy were cast into bankruptcy by WWI. The set of circumstances that caused the Fascist and Communist takeovers were unique to their times.

The closest thing to the Fascists in this country are the Teabaggers, a bunch of morons so stupid they are unaware that they are simply being used by the Kochs and other parts of the Oligarchy.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2013, 11:13:42 AM »
 Hell the United States was founded upon a weaker military declaring independence from a stronger military. Of course the weaker enemy in all the above cases was not totally unarmed, but the point is they did not have nearly the military resources but still won.

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Wave your flag, toot your horn, but the actual fact is that the American Revolution was won when the French blockaded Yorktown and trapped Cornwallis.

George Washington would be the first to admit that.

The civil war that you seem to carve between the citizens of the US and its government would not be a case of invaders vs. the citizens. Everyone fighting would be a citizen.

Observe that the Confederacy LOST their war defending their home turf and "peculiar institution".

I do not see even a remote possibility that such a conflict will ever take place.

I propose you buy a couple of six packs and watch BOTH versions of "Red Dawn" until your silly macho bellicose urges subside. It can't be doing you any good.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2013, 11:21:09 AM »
The Constitution says the THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP and BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.  And the Supreme court has validated that. 

Registering every weapon so that the Federal Government knows precisely who owns one is the foot in the door for subsequent confiscation, and would have NOT prevented what happened at Sandy Hook.   You may want a bloodless coup if the Government ever goes Stalinisque, but with the 2nd amendment, that won't happen, regardless of how better armed the military is.  And as Bt referenced, I doubt very seriously the military is simply going to take orders and start gunning down its own citizens.

And then, there's that obsession with you and strutting.  Really, what's that all about?     :o
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2013, 11:44:55 AM »
  Really, what's that all about? 
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Watching you strut.

It is really quite humorous.

Like watching Shemp enter stage right with a very long plank.

Like watching Larry wheel out a rack of pies.
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2013, 12:07:29 PM »
Hmmmm....so you've been stalking me, "watching me" strut?  I guess its a good thing I'm armed
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Re: Breitbart's Ben Shapiro destroys Piers Morgan last night on Gun Control !
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2013, 01:59:51 PM »
I did not mean the guns of the police, of course.

However, if there were zero guns, no one would ever be shot with a gun.

There are no Romulan disruptors , and behold that no one has ever been shot with a Romulan disruptor, even if they are the most  pusillanimous Faelirh ch'susse-thrai.

I would not bother to watch sirs do anything. His strutting is obvious from the silly stuff he posts.
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