Same propaganda.....different name

[Xavier_Onassis]

What know you of the motives?

[sirs]

What do you?  Psychologist are you?

[Plane]

It was not necessary to make peace with Saddam. Saddam did not declare war on the US.

Saddam did not have a grudge against Al Gore's father, not=r did Saddam try to assassinate Al Gore's father.

This is an error of fact.

Saddam never declared peace with the USA. This is a subtle difference.

Saddam and Clinton were at war , to a ridiculously metered extent , but just as ridiculous to call the war over when we were not allowing the Iraqi government to exercise sovereignty over its own airspace , and killing a dozen or so of them every week.

     Bush 43 would have been a dummy to have declared it over and turned his back on Saddam Hussein to get busy in Afghanistan , Saddam would have at the very least have supplied the Taliban and Al Quieda all the ammunition they could carry, very likely also he would have resumed his WMD laboratory work. Even though Saddam Hussein was much more free of WMD than most people thought he was , with the sanction removed he would have no reason to eschew the concept anymore.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Speculation. Saddam was ideologically  against the Taliban as well as Al Qaeda.
It was not necessary to monger a war with Iraq to prevent Saddam from developing WMD's.

The first Iraq War was caused by the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, caused by blowback from a stupid CA=IA plot and poor doiplomacy.
The second Iraq war was caused by the inconclusive end to the first Iraq War.


Neither war was in the interest of this country.

[Plane]

It was not necessary to monger a war with Iraq to prevent Saddam from developing WMD's.

Yes it was, that is exactly what was required and it seems to have worked.

The second Iraq war was caused by the inconclusive end to the first Iraq War.

When do you think the first one ended?

[Xavier_Onassis]

There was not actually an end, but when the majority of the troops left. that was as close as they got.

[Plane]

Exactly right.

War is the opposite of a Tango.

It takes two to tango, it takes both sides to quit a War.

Saddam Hussein was not stopping , still shooting years after most of the targets he could have hit had left.  This was expensive , the aircraft he really could not hit could hit back pretty well.

Why call it speculative to say that he would have taken an opportunity to really hurt his enemy?


  I suppose that Al Gore might have been less eager than George Bush to finish the war, but would Saddam Hussein have given him that choice?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Gore would never have made up all the crap that Juniorbush and Cheney did about WMD's.

A huge number of people thought of the Iraq invasion as payback for 9-11. The Administration used this lie to propagandize all the feebler minds in the country

I knew it was bullshit from the git-go.

I was against it from the start.

[Plane]

   I don't think the administration made up anything , wrong perhaps , but sincere.

    And if there were no WMD in the past , and no potential WMD in the future you would be right to think WMD no worry since they were gone in that present, but this was just a good guess, the proof was prevented by Saddam.


     If there were no WMD involved in any way at all , it would be stupid of President Bush to release Saddam at the back of an expedition to Afghanistan.

     Not attacking Iraq would have been severely stupid , even if there were no Afghanistan problem to create opportunity for a Saddam backstab.

       Really what behavior could have been reasonably expected of Saddam once he was released from the sanctions and airstrikes?

       It is entirely a myth that Bill Clinton was not at war with Saddam Hussein , the war was ongoing , but for about eleven years it was carried forward in a very stupid manner.

[Xavier_Onassis]

If it was carried on, it was carried on with very, very few casualties. That is not stupid. Getting 4000 servicemen killed and many many more wounded is stupid.

[Plane]

  You like the idea that wars should never end?

    During the time that Saddam fought the USA he also fought his internal opposition, many thousands died, including a lot of Iraqis that might have formed a better government or might have been friendly to the US.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am for all wars ending immediately and never starting in the first place.

[Plane]

I am for all wars ending immediately and never starting in the first place.

  Then I would support you for the leadership of any of our enemies.

[sirs]

Hear Hear!!