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Hillary & $$$
« on: April 18, 2015, 01:17:38 PM »
It's been brought to our attention that Hillary isn't in this (the Presidential race) for the money, its for the power.  And that's absolutely correct.  What's painfully hypocritical however, as Krauthammer points out, is that one of her primary talking points is to "take unaccountable big money out of politics".  This is a rather obscene concept, considering that her supporters intend to raise $2.5 billion for 2016 alone and that the Clinton Foundation is one of the most formidable machines ever devised for extracting money from the rich, the powerful and the unsavory.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2015, 07:18:08 PM »
Naturally anyone that would donate to Hillary would be unsavory to you.

Krauthammer is such a tool.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2015, 07:37:01 PM »
No more unsavory than you'd consider anyone donating to any Republican    ::)
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2015, 10:47:59 AM »
With 2 billion, you could found a University.

A good one.

I wish I could vote in a president who would raise two billion and use it on something better than a publicity campaign.

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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2015, 03:01:54 PM »
He would not get elected, because no matter how well the money was spent, his donation would be called a "stunt" by his opponent, and there would be testimony that the money was not being spent properly and blah blah blah.

In the UK campaigning is short, limited to under three months, with no campaigning allowed. The amount spent on campaigns is also limited.
 

The solution to making this country a successful democracy is by passing serious campaign reform laws. Public financing would be very useful. TV and radio stations should be forced to provide air time in return for their licenses.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2015, 05:05:47 PM »
Is this our own fault for accepting the situation as it is?

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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2015, 07:21:39 PM »
I suppose that we are responsible for the mess that our political system has become.  It is devilishly hard to change even the silliest aspects of out system, because a society of special interested people grown up around the system, and they have a lot of power. For example, the Electoral College is a terrible and anti democratic idea, but there are people in tiny states that actually should have a tiny impact on the nation (like Wyoming) that do not want to give it up.There are people who want to be electors, and giving your followers the job is an ideal patronage thing, since it costs nothing and has no real effect who the elector is, since he is sworn to vote as the system dictates. It will take us ages to legalize pot even though a majority of the people want it, because the cops, the people who make the pot tests,  the private prisons all depend on pot being illegal.

We have the worst system that we can tolerate, basically.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2015, 06:55:20 PM »
According to a most recent report:

Records show that Bill’s earnings from appearance fees — both foreign and domestic — spiked at $17 million in 2012, Hillary’s last year at State.
 
During Hillary’s four-year stint as secretary of state, the ex-president earned about $48 million of a $105?million speaking haul amassed between 2001 and 2013.
 
More than half of the $48 million was paid by companies in China, Japan, Canada, Russia, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and the Cayman Islands, among others.
 
The author writes that “of the 13 Clinton speeches that fetched $500,000 or more, only two occurred during the years his wife was not secretary of state.”

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But its the GOP being bought and payed for    ::)    But at least the most ecent revelation, as expressed by our good socialist professor, is that "who the hell cares?"  So what if she gets donations......from all types of sources, both domestic and foreign.  The important part is that once she's managed to fool the electorate, its how she functions as a President that counts.  So, whatever she has to say or do or accept in donations, regardless of the source, or even if its legal for that matter, that's what's required.  Ends justify the means

You know, it wouldn't be so bad, if others were more honest, like our professor.  What's truly hypocritical however is how the GOP gets painted & condemned as some purchased arm of whatever major donors were behind them, while Dems like Hillary, get a complete pass for the very exact thing.  Supposedly they're not getting payed off.  Apparently they have some super power that the GOP doesn't   
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2015, 09:38:52 AM »
There are only two parties. Most of the oligarchy vastly prefers the GOP, but there is always the possibility that the Democrats could win. They can get maybe 80% of what they want by buying a Republican, but maybe only 30% by buying a Democrat. So they contribute to both sides. There are actually some wealthy people who have visions for the country beyond making themselves extremely wealthy.

30% is better than 0%.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 10:37:34 AM »
The infamous, never to be seen "oligarchy" is supposedly the entity that pays for who they want running things.  You can't have it both ways, where if a Democrat is raking in a gazillion dollars in donations, including highly questionable, if not illegal, foreign sources, you can't claim that their's is ok, while the GOP is under some nefarious mandate, based on your pulling it out of your arse opinion of %'s

But I have to admire the transparent double standard, now being applied to defend Hillary.  Uber rich people donating to Republicans = evil oligarchy member, simply in it to become richer.  Uber rich people donating to Democrats = Perfectly sane person, simply with visions of what this country could be.  Quite amazing to witness
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2015, 11:14:44 AM »
All you have to do to find out who the Oligarchy members are is to look through who is on the Board of Directors of the S&P 500. Anyone who is not some sort of obvious celebrity on more than a couple of these is probably one of the oligarchy. It is not a single-minded group, different oligarchs have different interests. There are interlocking directorates that unify the common interests: you will find directors of Coal Mine Operators on the board of utility companies, and vice versa. That will also be on the boards of those who transport the coal and those who manufacture generators and other power transmission items.

As I have said before, the GOP is nearly 100% sold out to the various oligarchies. Some of the Democrats are sold out as well. Sen Menendez belongs to the Fanjul Sugar interests, for example.
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2015, 01:04:16 PM »
How convenient that there's no direct connections of person A <--> politician B.  Just the same old nebulous cloud of evil rich people.......unless of course they donate to Democrats, in which case, they they are simply well intentioned visionaries    ::)
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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2015, 03:32:35 PM »
When Politicians are for hire, the electorate looses out.

We as the electoriate are loosing out on a regular basis now and neither party has any innocence to claim.

Should we call it our fault , are we as the electorate too gullable and tolerant?

Yes , I think so , when we see a very slick comercial frequently on the TV , Blogspace, billboards , etc....  This is significant only to show the money being spent is large, we should all be applying personally held correction factors .

When I see a persuasive arguement , I need only see it once if I understand it and further money spent is superflouous to me.

When I see advertisement , be it however well crafted, if it has no logic or no facts or no appeal that I understand , the money is worse than wasted.

Worst of all when I am insulted in my intelligence or integrety by an advertisement the money spent is just aggravateing the negative.

There are a lot of people who are only marginally informed , moving these margins is what makes the huge spending work.

If more people knew the facts in Travelgate or Bengazi, fifty billion dollars would not elect her.

Shame on us all for trusting the "information" spoonfed us along with the shampoo and breakfast cerial.

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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2015, 03:48:38 PM »
If more people knew the facts in Travelgate or Bengazi, fifty billion dollars would not elect her.

Shame on us all for trusting the "information" spoonfed us along with the shampoo and breakfast cerial.


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Re: Hillary & $$$
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2015, 06:52:08 PM »
People who do not want you to know they have purchased a politician do not come right out and say it.
Every once in a while, it is so blatant everyone knows. Newt Gingrich was purchased by Sheldon Adelson.

No one gives a teensy turd about Travelgate or Benghazi.  People want a peaceful country that provides decent healthcare for its citizens and does not shove religion down everyone's throat.  There is no indication whatever that the GOP wants more than more tax cuts for the rich and more more more guns weapons and war.
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