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Iran weighs turning Hizballah's anti-Israel
missiles against ISIS to save Damascus and Baghdad


DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

May 30, 2015

Hizballah's General Secretary Hassan Nasrallah frequently brags that his 80,000 missiles can reach any point in Israel. He may have to compromise on this. His masters in Tehran are casting about urgently for ways to save the Assad regime in Damascus and halt the Islamic State's inexorable advance on Baghdad and the Shiite shrine city of Karbala. According to debkafile's Gulf sources, Iran is eyeing the re-allocation of the roughly 1,000 long-range rockets in Hizballah's store for warding off these calamities.

Some would be fired from their pads in Lebanon, exposing that country to retaliation, after Beirut rebuffed Hizballah's demand for the Lebanese army to join in the fight for Assad.

Iran has not so far approved the plan. But if it does go through, Iranian spy drones operating over the war zones would feed with targeting data on ISIS and rebel positions and movements to the Hizballah rocket crews manning the mobile batteries of Fajr-5s - range 400-600 km; Zelzal-2s - range 500 km; Fateh-110s -range 800 km; and Shaheen 2s - 800-900 km.

Discussions in Tehran on this option took on new urgency Thursday, May 28, when White House spokesman Josh Earnest declared that the United States "would not be responsible for securing the security situation in Iraq. Our strategy is to support the Iraqi security forces? back them on the battlefield with coalition military air power as they take the fight to ISIS in their own country," he said.

Tehran took this as confirmation that the US was quitting the war on the Islamic State in Iraq although the Obama administration?s decision was coupled with a free hand for the Baghdad government to do whatever it must to deal with the peril, including calling on external forces for assistance in defending the country.

In the Iraqi arena, Iran has thrown into the fray surrogate Shiite militias grouped under "The Popular Mobilization Committee." It is led by Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, who turns out to be an Iranian, not an Iraqi, and working under cover as the deputy of the Al Qods Brigades Commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

This grouping is too shady for President Barack Obama to accept as worthy of US air support. Therefore, the entire anti-ISIS campaign has been dumped in Iran?s lap. Loath to expose its own air force planes to the danger of being shot down over Iraq, Iran is looking at the option of filling the gap with heavy missiles.

In the Syrian arena, Tehran is under extreme pressure:

1. The Assad regime can't last much longer under fierce battering from the rebel Nusra Front, freshly armed and funded with massive assistance from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. To disguise this group?s affiliation with al Qaeda, the Saudis have set up a new outfit called "The Muslim Army of Conquest." In a few days it was joined by 3,000 Nusra adherents.

2.  The Syrian army has lost heart under this assault and many of its units are fleeing the battlefield rather than fighting, with the result that Bashar Assad is losing one piece of territory after another in all his war sectors. Soon, he will be left without enough troops for defending Damascus.

3.  Although Hizballah's leaders proclaim their determination to fight for Assad in every part of Syria, the fact is that the Shiite group is too stretched to support a wide-ranging conflict in Syria and defend its own home base in Lebanon at one and the same time.

4. Tehran is also considering rushing through a defense pact with Damascus to enable Assad to call on Iranian troops to come over and rescue him.

 5. Saudi Arabia has singled out leaders of top Hizballah leaders for sanctions. This week, Riyadh impounded the assets and accounts of Khalil Harb and Muhammad Qabalan in Gulf banks. This act was taken in Tehran as a major provocation.

The names don't mean much outside a small circle in the region. However, Harb is Hizballah's supreme chief of staff whose military standing is comparable to that of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander Gen. Ali Jaafary, while Qabalan is the organization's senior intelligence and operations officer and responsible for orchestrating Hizballah's terrorist hits outside Lebanon.
 
The Iranians are not about to let this affront go by without payback, which could come in the form of missile attacks by Hizballah on Saudi-backed groups in Syria.

http://www.debka.com/article/24633/Iran-weighs-turning-Hizballah?s-anti-Israel-missiles-against-ISIS-to-save-Damascus-and-Baghdad
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Syria is far more important to Iran than Israel, and if Hezbollah had the power to send missiles into Israel, this would have already happened.  Every organization in the Middle East, government or movement is run by pompous braggarts.

There is no chance that Syria will ever have a pro-US government, because the Syrians hate Israel for seizing the Golan and annexing it years ago. They is a major reason why Obama wisely kept the US out of any major faction in Syria.

The Saudis are Sunni fanatics, but so corrupt they make deals with the US anyway: they like getting paid in dollars. The Iranians are Shia fanatics, but their corruption is mostly internal. They are certainly more in favor of exterminating  Dash, though.
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These missiles can't do serious harm to Isis. About as bad as poorly aimed artillery.

Isis power does not depend on defending civilians from bombardment.


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What is our best choice?

Can we avoid a need to fight the winner eventually?

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Hmm actually it's might end up like picking up the pieces. As they attack each other isis will likely eat alot of resources for it's trouble and the occupied area may rebel.

Unless i've been misinformed how unpopular isis is to everybody


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These appear to be the same poorly made missiles that the Israelis wail are an "existential threat". They are more like dangerous toy rockets than actual weapons. They will prove as useful for defeating ISIS as they are to  defeating Israel. Big Whoop!
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    No ,these are professionally made artillery rockets with the range to cross Israel and the payload to wreck a whole building.

    But terrorizing the population or even killing quite a few of them will not phase Isis very much.

    The ridiculous rockets of Gaza are another thing.

     

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What is our best choice?

Our best choice is to not keep making the same mistake over and over.

We should not help, encourage, or aid the overthrow of secular strongmen,
because more often than not we end up with someone worse!

We got rid of secular strong man Saddam...
Iraq is now in chaos, more dominated by Iran, and ISIS may take over.

We helped get rid of and bombed secular Qaddafi.
Libya is now in chaos.
IslamoNazis murdered the US Ambassador to Libya.
ISIS or other IslamoNazis may take over Libya.

We have called for and aided in the secular Assad's overthrow in Syria.
Syria is in shambles....with over 220,000 dead and ISIS may take over Syria.

The only silver lining in any of these catastrophes is there
are a lot of crazy Muzzies killing other crazy Muzzies.



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The only silver lining in any of these catastrophes is there
are a lot of crazy Muzzies killing other crazy Muzzies.


  I don't suppose this is the original Obama plan.

    When President Obama went to Egypt and made the speech that seemed to ignite the imagination of the middle east and North Africa, I think what it changed was the perception that the US was supporting the continuance of stable tyrants.


     https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/newbeginning/transcripts/
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_889oBKkNU

      This might be the big agreement between President Obama and President Bush.

        That we don't need tyrants to be stable.

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The only advantage of tyrants is that they are stable. It helps if they are easily bribed.
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The only advantage of tyrants is that they are stable. It helps if they are easily bribed.

yes...and some are not mass murderers.
Saudi Royalty may not be ideal, but probably better than ISIS or Taliban
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They are assholes, but they are OUR assholes.

Eventually, the Saudi ruling family will be deposed. We are unlikely to like what comes after that.

Isis does not actually know how to run a country. Their approach to economics is to loot the rich and to loot the archeological treasures and the natural resources, like oil.
But in several years, this will run out, they will need drilling equipment and will rrum out of rich people to kidnap.
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So President Professor's Foreign Policy would be largely like Rand Paul's?  Let them kill, behead, burn, and mass murder until......they run out of victims?
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What do you suggest?  That the US actually INVADE Syria?
This country has already demonstrated its inability to reform Muslim nations. We do not have that ability.

The US could NEVER impose a government on Syria that the Syrians would like. Not unless we forced Israel to return Syrian territory. Since  we won't do that, why waste our money and our soldiers' lives in another fruitless pursuit. Syria is not our war, we did nto start it and we cannot end it.

All we can do is support those who will prevent ISIS from controlling more territory.
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