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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2015, 02:04:13 PM »
The supposition is that her private e mail server is (1) known to spies and (2) is accessible to them.

There is no evidence that any harm has been done to this country because of her private e mail.

If ( probably WHEN) she becomes PRESIDENT HILLARY, she will no longer have such an account.

So it is no big deal.

The Constitution has nothing at all to say about the security of even written letters, let alone e-mail.


And you would be against Hillary no matter what she did or how she did it, so your opinion is pretty much worthless.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2015, 02:10:04 PM »
No, the supposition is that SHE HAD NO BUSINESS OR LEGAL STANDING USING A PRIVATE SERVER TO CONDUCT PUBLIC BUSINESS AS SOS

We have yet to know of what damage may have been caused, but the point you keep trying to sweep under the rug is her using her own private server in the 1st place, in direct violation of law, that mandates public employees use a Government authorized server.  That is to ensure Government oversight, in the event something like Benghazi happens, and the person most directly involved can't hide/delete any incriminating evidence of just how incompotent or corrupt she is
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2015, 02:23:26 PM »
You would not know corruption if it grabbed your face like the critter in Alien.

But we know you would not try to abort it.

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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2015, 02:33:39 PM »
Weak, albeit expected deflection effort.  It's always nice to know when the other side has run out of defensible ammo.  Thanks for the confirmation, xo
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2015, 02:43:19 PM »
Hillary has no reason to drop out.

She is ahead.

She beats every Republican't in the polls.

No one is guilty of anything until they are convicted.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2015, 02:56:56 PM »
The supposition is that her private e mail server is (1) known to spies and (2) is accessible to them

That is "Hilary-us" 
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2015, 06:55:29 PM »
It turns out that at least two of the emails which traversed Hillary Clinton’s personal email account and server were “top secret,” according to the inspector general for the Intelligence Community as reported by McClatchy. To describe that as reckless is an understatement given that, as AP notes, “There is no evidence she used encryption to shield the emails or her personal server from foreign intelligence services or other potentially prying eyes.” The FBI has now taken possession of that server.
 
When it comes to low-level government employees with no power, the Obama administration has purposely prosecuted them as harshly as possible to the point of vindictiveness: It has notoriously prosecuted more individuals under the Espionage Act of 1917 for improperly handling classified information than all previous administrations combined.
 
- NSA whistleblower Tom Drake, for instance, faced years in prison, and ultimately had his career destroyed, based on the Obama DOJ’s claims that he “mishandled” classified information (it included information that was not formally classified at the time but was retroactively decreed to be such).

- Less than two weeks ago, “a Naval reservist was convicted and sentenced for mishandling classified military materials” despite no “evidence he intended to distribute them.”

- Last year, a Naval officer was convicted of mishandling classified information also in the absence of any intent to distribute it.
 
In the light of these new Clinton revelations, the very same people who spent years justifying this obsessive assault are now scampering for reasons why a huge exception should be made for the Democratic Party front-runner. Fascinatingly, one of the most vocal defenders of this Obama DOJ record of persecution has been Hillary Clinton herself.
 
In December 2011, Chelsea Manning’s court-martial was set to begin. None of the documents at issue in that prosecution was “top secret,” unlike the documents found on Hillary Clinton’s server. Nonetheless, the then-secretary of state convened a press conference to denounce Manning and defend the prosecution. This is what she said:
 
If his case goes to trial and he is convicted, Manning could face life in prison. The government has said it would not seek the death penalty.
 
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called Manning’s alleged actions damaging and unfortunate in remarks to reporters at the State Department on Thursday.
 
“I think that in an age where so much information is flying through cyberspace, we all have to be aware of the fact that some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so,” Clinton said.

 
Manning was convicted and sentenced to 35 years in prison. At the time, the only thing Hillary Clinton had to say about that was to issue a sermon about how classified information “deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so” because it “affects the security of individuals and relationships.”
 
That was during the time that she had covertly installed a non-government server and was using it and a personal email account to receive classified and, apparently, even top-secret information. While there’s no evidence she herself placed those documents on the server or sent them herself, it is her use of a personal server and email account that — quite predictably — caused the vulnerability.
 
It goes without saying that the U.S. government wildly overclassifies almost everything it touches, even the most benign information. As former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden said in 2010, “Everything’s secret. I mean, I got an email saying ‘Merry Christmas.’ It carried a top secret NSA classification marking.”
 
For that reason, almost all of these prosecutions for mishandling classified information have been wildly overzealous, way out of proportion to any harm they caused or could have caused, certainly out of proportion to the actual wrongdoing.
 
But that’s an argument that Hillary Clinton never uttered in order to object as people’s lives and careers were destroyed and they were hauled off to prison. To the contrary, she more often than not defended it, using rationale that, as it turns out, condemned herself and her own behavior at least as much as those whose persecution she was defending.

OUCH
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2015, 07:08:39 PM »
Rant on and on, but Hillary is not dropping out now. The idea that she would do that is just stupid. Like you, sirs.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2015, 07:40:13 PM »
Nor did I claim she would.  Too much money has bought and paid for her to drop out now.  Just helps reinforce how there are rules for the Clintons and rules for the rest of us, that don't apply to them
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2015, 08:00:12 PM »
NO ONE of either party in Hillary's position would drop out now. NO one.

You might as well allege that Donald Trump should be on the cover of the next issue of O Magazine, or that Newt Gingrich challenge Sarah Palin to a game of laser tag.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2015, 08:46:05 PM »
If the same potential illegal act were hanging over Trump or Jeb, the left would be going apoplectic in how they should not only drop out, but be arrested by the FBI immediately.  Problem is, its your gal with the huge illegal albatross hanging around her neck.

But like I said, this should make you giddy with the notion that Sanders is going to be your front runner come party nomination time
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2015, 09:25:51 PM »
I would not expect them to drop out.  Don't tell me what I would do.

You are clueless as a fortune teller. I would not expect the FBI to arrest either one of them for e mail.  Jeez.

I think Hillary will be the most likely candidate. She does not expect someone like you to support her.  She does not need your vote.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2015, 02:12:21 AM »
I can tell you anything I want.  Lesser candidates would absolutely drop out, and anyone in "Hillary's position", as in having potentially covered up a felony while functioning as our SoS, would absolutely be raked over the media coals, and see their poll #'s plummet, with the added push to drop out, before really hurting the party's chances come election time. 

Here's the problem your gal has......now that the FBI is in possession of her server, they'll be able to identify when the "top SECRET clearance"  was either applied or removed, from those e-mails, that have been determined to have been classified, despite her declaration she had nothing classified in her system. 
- If it was removed AFTER she received it, then she has committed a crime, since she's on record as declaring she neither received nor sent any such classified information, much less top secret stuff. 
- It if was removed before she received it, where the IG has now determined that it was indeed top secret classified stuff she had, then someone on her staff has committed 2 felonies, where by they both tampered with top secret classified information, AND placed said top secret information on an unsecured private server...hers

You better pray they don't find out who that person was, because you can bet they're not going to take the full felony fall, without naming names.  My "support", or lack there of, is both irrelevant and yet another deflection effort
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2015, 09:08:04 AM »
Why I "had better pray" I do not understand. Hillary's problems are not my problems. I had nothing at all to do with her e mails. And prayer is pretty much talking to yourself, anyway. Hillary is not "my gal", she is simply the frontrunner among Democratic candidates.

No one that has amassed the campaign funds that Hillary has would ever drop out.

This was not my suggestion, but yours, and is totally stupid and unrealistic. Hillary is not going to take your advice.
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Re: Hillary should drop out of the race
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2015, 12:53:43 PM »
Once again, the "better pray", was rhetorical, not literal     ::)

But you keep ignoring the reference I keep making, that I agree Hillary's not going to drop out, as she's been bought and payed for 10x over any other candidate.  So no, it was neither my suggestion nor my expectation, professor wrong-yet-again

And yes, she hasn't been convicted of anything, but if this were a GOP candidate, you would have judged and convicted him before this debacle got even half as bad as it is for her now. (RHETORICAL, NOT LITERAL, since I'm aware you're not a member of any jury)  One former attorney/judge even deemed her legal situation is beyond grave.  NOT her political situation, but her actual legal situation, when you consider Patraeus was convicted for far less
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