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US warns Russia against more aid to Assad amid new violence

Sep 5, 2015

By SARAH EL DEEB

BEIRUT (AP)  Anti-government violence erupted Saturday in a southern Syrian province that had largely stayed on the sidelines of the country's civil war.

Meanwhile, unconfirmed reports suggesting that Russia was planning to expand its military support for Syrian President Bashar Assad prompted a warning from the U.S. that such actions could lead to a confrontation with coalition forces.

The violence in Sweida province, a stronghold of the Druze minority sect, followed the killing of a prominent cleric in rare explosions Friday that claimed the lives of at least 25 others, activists and pro-government media said. Rioters holding the government responsible for the cleric's death destroyed the statue of late Syrian President Hafez Al-Assad and besieged security offices, the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and other activist groups said.

In Washington, the State Department issued a statement after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to express concern over unconfirmed reports "suggesting an imminent enhanced Russian military build-up" in Syria.

While not elaborating on or confirming the accuracy of those reports, the State Department said Kerry made clear to Lavrov that such actions "could further escalate the conflict, lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation" with the anti-Islamic State coalition operating led by the U.S. that is carrying out strikes in Syria.

Russia has been a stalwart ally of Assad throughout Syria's civil war and has provided diplomatic support and weaponry to help the Syrian leader maintain his grip on power. Moscow also maintains a small naval facility at the Syrian port of Tartous on the Mediterranean Sea.

The cleric killed Friday, Sheik Wahid Balous, was a prominent critic of Assad and had called on youth in Sweida province to refuse to serve in the military. He was also a critic of the Islamic State militants who have taken over a third of the country and are fueling the civil war that has killed more than 250,000 people and wounded more than 1 million.

Balous, who was a strong supporter of rebels trying to topple Assad, died in one of two consecutive car bomb explosions, including one near the National Hospital in Sweida.

The Observatory said the death toll rose Saturday to 37, including six security personnel killed in clashes with rioters. The city had witnessed large rallies in the days before the explosions against the failure of the government to provide basic services. Activists reported that there was no Internet service for the past few days.
Syria's official news agency and other activist groups put the death toll from the blasts at 26. There was no immediate claim of responsibly for the bombings.
The Syrian government called the blasts "cowardly terrorist acts." A police commander in the city, Mohammed Samra, said Sweida was "calm and stable" and denied any unrest, saying reports of anti-government violence were aimed at undermining security in the area.

Some of Balous' supporters said in a statement they will expel security forces from Sweida province, which until now has largely stayed out of the fighting in Syria's civil war.

City elders appealed for calm, warning against attempts to drag the province toward violence. Another statement from the city's Druze leaders urged supporters to be patient as the cleric's brother, who was seriously wounded in the attack, recovers.

A 10th century offshoot of Shiite Islam, the Druze made up about 5 percent of Syria's prewar population of 23 million people, and is split between supporters and opponents of Assad.

In neighboring Lebanon, which also has a sizeable Druze population, the sect's political leader Walid Jumblatt said Balous's death was a "painful strike" to the community.

"It is time for the honorable citizens (of Sweida) to rise up in the face of the Syrian regime that wants repression and to spread sedition," he told the anti-government Syrian Orient TV.

The National Syrian Coalition opposition group in exile also blamed the Syrian government for the killing of the cleric, known as "the Dignity Sheikh," saying it was part of an attempt to stop the anti-government protests in recent days. In a statement, coalition member Suheir Attasi said killing Balous only "increased the popular anger in the province."

Associated Press writer Albert Aji in Damascus, Syria, contributed to this report.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150905/ml--syria-7872368035.html
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2015, 02:08:00 PM »
  Have we got a favorite dog in that fight?

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2015, 05:00:28 PM »
Putin has specific thinks he wants from Assad.

The US wants peace, preferably without Assad: that is vastly more complicated.
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2015, 06:06:48 PM »
 Yes , peace and prosperity require more co-ordination than chaos and confusion do.

   If we could co-ordinate with Russia , China , Iran and other suppliers and border countries, it might be possible to starve the fire and let the combatants run low on ammo.

    I do not expect anything like this sort of co-ordination, much more likely we will all pick different favorites and keep them supplied well enough to fight to the death of the last.

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2015, 11:54:06 PM »
  Have we got a favorite dog in that fight?

I am not sure who the "we" you refer to is?
My "favorite dog" is hoping Assad stays in power as he appears much better than many of the alternatives.
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2015, 10:20:49 AM »
There are much better Syrian leaders than Assad: Assad is a vile dictator who could have spared all the chaos by just taking the money and retiring.

The difficulty is that the most violent tend to win.

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2015, 09:28:08 PM »
Russian submarine with 20 ICBMs and 200 nuclear warheads is sailing to Syria

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
September 7, 2015


Dmitri Donskoy TK-208 submarine heads for Syria

The world's largest submarine, the Dmitri Donskoy (TK-208), Nato-coded Typhoon, has set sail for the Mediterranean and is destined for the Syrian coast, DEBKAfile reports exclusively from its military and intelligence sources. Aboard the sub are 20 Bulava (NATO-code SS-N-30) intercontinental ballistic missiles with an estimated up to 200 nuclear warheads. Each missile, with a reported range of 10,000km, carries 6-10 MIRV nuclear warheads.

The Russian sub set sail from its North Sea base on Sept. 4, escorted by two anti-sub warfare ships. Their arrival at destination in 10 days time will top up the new Russian military deployment in Syria.

President Vladimir Putin's introduction of a nuclear force opposite Syrian shores builds up what first looked like an operation to fortify Assad?s regime in Damascus into a military expedition capable of an air and sea confrontation with US forces in the Middle East.

US Secretary of State John Kerry suggested as much Saturday, Sept. 5, when he expressed concern over reports of Russia's
"increasing military build-up in Syria" in a phone call to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. The State Department reported: "The Secretary made clear that if such reports were accurate, these actions could further escalate the conflict, lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL coalition operation in Syria."

Kerry was referring to potential Russian interference with US-led coalition air strikes against the Islamic State in Syria.
DEBKAfile's sources in Washington and Moscow report that the dispatch of a nuclear sub to Syrian waters is taken as a strong message that the Kremlin will not let the US impede its military intervention in the Syrian conflict and will go to extreme lengths to keep the way open for the flow of Russian troops to the war-torn country.

This situation has gone a long way beyond Obama administration intentions when US-Russian talks were initially held for US forces posted in Turkey and Iraq, together with the Russian troops arriving in Syria, to launch a combined effort against the Islamic State. Those talks came to naught.

In its coming issue out Friday, Sept. 11, DEBKA Weekly 678 will reveal for the first time how Putin intends to array the Russian forces he is consigning to Syria, their operational planning, their military coordination with Iran and, above all, how the new Russian intervention in Syria may impact US Middle East policy and Israel.

http://www.debka.com/article/24873/Russian-submarine-with-20-ICBMs-and-200-nuclear-warheads-is-sailing-to-Syria
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2015, 10:16:58 PM »
  Have we got a favorite dog in that fight?

I am not sure who the "we" you refer to is?
My "favorite dog" is hoping Assad stays in power as he appears much better than many of the alternatives.

The USA will never have a friend in Bashir Assad.

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2015, 11:09:00 PM »
The USA will never have a friend in Bashir Assad.

I've had employees I didn't like one bit...
But they were damn good at what they did....so they were left alone...because they served a purpose.
People don't have to be friends....to co-exist.
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2015, 08:30:56 AM »
A pro American government in Syria is an impossibility, unless the US forces Israel to return Quneitra, which it will not do, and might not be able to do, ever.
A neutral government is the best we can hope for.
Assad is as nasty a leader as exists anywhere.
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2015, 07:30:47 PM »
Assad is as nasty a leader as exists anywhere.

Oh bullshit.....he is nothing like the ISIS leader, or even the Mullah's in Iran.
Assad is nasty because he lives in a nasty neighborhood.
Listen to him sometime, he is well spoken, thinks of his country first, and is quite logical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd3KWHtYgBY
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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2015, 08:47:29 PM »
  Assad is trying to win a nasty contest.

    A dishonor contest.

       A ruthlessness contest.

         Is it a great brag for his bunch to come in second?

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2015, 09:46:07 PM »
Assad is brutal to internal enemies and the US was BRUTAL to internal enemies...
See the American Indian and The Confederacy.
William Tecumseh Sherman would have dropped barrel bombs if he had them.

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Re: shut up and get out of the way Obama and let a real President sort it out
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2015, 10:51:35 PM »
Assad is brutal to internal enemies and the US was BRUTAL to internal enemies...
See the American Indian and The Confederacy.
William Tecumseh Sherman would have dropped barrel bombs if he had them.

Yes that is true.

When Georgians invented the land mine, General Sherman invented the platoon of captured civilian Georgians to walk ahead of his column.

What is to like?

When a government is not for its citizens , what is it for?

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2015, 10:03:51 AM »
Assad is not deliberately monstrous: he does not go i for public beheadings or the sale of captured women, but he is plenty cruel. He should have stepped down long ago. I assume he swore some sort of oath and is obsessed with staying in power.  Syria undoubtedly  has men who can do a better job of leading than Assad or Isis, but in all the violence they will never come to power,

It is unfair to compare Putin to Obama here: All Putin wants is a base in the Mediterranean, which Isis and other fundamentalists would not give him: Putin does not care about refugees, barrel bombs, torture beheadings or any of that. Obama wants an end to Isis and stability in Iraq and Syria, which is far more difficult to attain. If someone would just shoot Assad, as well as the other leaders, we'd all be better off.
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