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sirs

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More Demawon't Shenanigans
« on: September 09, 2015, 01:49:41 PM »
Remember how then Senate Majority leader Reid, had bill after bill after bill after bill, on a myriad of issues, imparticularly the budget, that he wouldn't even allow the Senate to vote up or down on.  Yea, they passed "comprehensive immigration reform", then hypocritically condemned the House for not allowing their members to vote up or down on, despite their actions of doing it countless times, under Reid

Fast forward to now.....Senate is debating the horrible Iran "deal".  GOP is now in the majority, and we're about to see bipartisan opposition of the "deal", as a minimum of 4 Democrats oppose the bill, and many others have voiced significant reservations.  The "deal" is to then be voted up or down, but it appears Senate Minority leader Reid is now setting up a fillibuster, to prevent the "deal" from even being voted on, that both a majority of the Senate and the country DOES NOT SUPPORT.

Who again is obstructing?
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 06:10:00 PM »
Again, the reason this deal is going to pass is because the Republicans collaborated to make it easy to pass this while still not requiring them to vote for it.

It is the best deal they are going to get. If the US were to turn it down, which WILL NOT HAPPEN, only the US sanctions could be kept in place.

Iran is not any sort of threat to the US. Israel is not the fifty first state. Netanyahu deserves to see this passed for coming over here and tryoing to fuck with the government of my country.

Iran is not going to nuke Israel, nor will it try to conquer Israel.
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 06:24:04 PM »
Iran is not going to nuke Israel, nor will it try to conquer Israel.


Khamenei: Israel won't survive next 25 years

http://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-israel-wont-survive-next-25-years/
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 06:45:06 PM »
Again, the reason this deal is going to pass is because the Republicans collaborated to make it easy to pass this while still not requiring them to vote for it.

NEWS FLASH....IT DIDN'T PASS Congress.  There was not a majority of the Senate that supported it, including some of the most staunchest leftest Dems.  Not only did it NOT pass, the Demawon'ts wouldn't even allow it to be voted on

It was in no way "the best deal".  Obama had the leverage to impose a far more stringent set of parameters, and would have had global support.  But instead, he pissed it away, to get something Iran would sign, and claim "victory"..........for Iran maybe.  And no, they don't have to be a threat to the Continental U.S.  You think nuking Iran would then have Iran and its terrorist sponsored offshoots stop there??  This "deal" has pretty much guaranteed a war now in the region.  And it'll be sooner, not later.  Bravo Oblather

Getting back to the point however, that even here in the U.S., you have Obama's sychophants, led by Reid & Pelosi, trying to protect him from embarrasing failure, after failure, after failure. 
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2015, 09:11:04 PM »
There would be a war if they did NOT pass this deal.

We do not need any more useless wars in the Middle East. Iraq was a huge mistake.

Notice that Obama got the Hell out of Libya as soon as the danger of Qadaffi strafing ins people was over. They did not stay.

Again, the approval was configured so that it woudl pass and the Repub;ican's could still say that they had nothing to do with it, so theyould hit rich (and stupid) Jews up for money.

If Deborah Wasserman Schultz is for this deal, that means that it is good for Israel. She is the official SuperJew.
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2015, 09:24:08 PM »
There would be a war if they did NOT pass this deal.

EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.  Iran was in no financial shape to expand any war than the proxy wars they had going on.  The Deal that COULD have been reached, given the leverage we DID have, would have made that a long lasting feature.  Instead, we just gave them a windfall of $$$$$$'s, that they can now buy....pretty much anything they want, using that money to shore up any and all defenses, while getting the best of the best weaponry from folks like Russia.  And at the end of the tunnel, nukes in less than 15years.  NONE of that would have occured, but now this "deal" guarantees it, ........ AND WAR

And again, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED A BIPARTISAN SENATE VOTE.  So, Reid has to pull out the political clown car, so Obama doesn't even have to veto, what a majority of the country, ALSO  doesn't support
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 12:12:30 AM »
  The present government of Iran has been at war or supporting insurgency outside its borders the entire time it has existed.

   Making more money available to this government is very likely to increase their capability to kill near and far, and they would think it a waste to not kill where they can.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 08:28:50 AM »
You guys are simply WRONG.

Congress finagled  so that it could be approved by a minority of the Senate.  Ted Cruz, although he is a dipshit, and stupidly opposes the deal, revealed this. It was done so that Republican'ts could claime they voted against it and get access to the fat coffers of rich Jewish fanatics, like Adelman.

What clearly won't last 25 years is Khamenei.

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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2015, 12:13:38 PM »
I really don't know how you get "approved" with "minority".  The ONLY means by which something is "approved" is with a majority vote....period.  This deal was NEVER approved by the Senate

Republicans were going to get whatever donations, regardless.  The only folks that this circus tactic by Reid protected, was the embarrassment to Obama for not having to formally veto it, and those dems who had severe reservations to "the deal", but now don't have to face angry constituents, because they didn't have to vote
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2015, 07:05:08 PM »
So riddle me this.......How is it that the Senate voted 98-1 to demand a say over this Iran "deal", with yes votes coming from all 42 Senators who've now joined a filibuster to prevent their own legislative body from having that say
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2015, 09:00:04 PM »
  Shenanigans is a good word for it.

  Procedural devices that frustrate the majority show little confidence that the public can be convinced to do right.

  Elitism, President Obama can again be accused of this .

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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2015, 09:56:23 PM »
Indeed. .... especially when you consider how the Dems & MSM would go apesnot if it was the GOP pulling this procedural crap to try and protect a Republican President from yet another embarrassment of policy.  The thing is, it doesn't require a veto.....the embarrassment is on full display, with the polls demonstrating how wrong he was in this "deal"
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2015, 10:21:59 AM »
The Republicans went along with finagling the deal so it could be passed by a third plus one. So they are clearly accomplices in it passing. It was a wily trick to counter Netanyahu's  plan to steer our government in his direction.  Sneaky times call for sneaky measures.

Outwitting a sly trickster like Netanyahu was required and masterful.
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2015, 10:45:43 AM »
The ONLY means by which something is "approved" is with a majority vote....period.  This deal was NEVER approved by or PASSED the Senate.  EVERY REPUBLICAN WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT, as did Democrats.  How the hell is that finagling it??

So, again, how is it that the Senate voted 98-1 to demand a say over this Iran "deal", with yes votes coming from all 42 Senators who've now joined a filibuster to prevent their own legislative body from having that say??

This is ALL Democrat fingerprints
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Re: More Demawon't Shenanigans
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2015, 08:23:49 PM »
The vote was finagled in such a way as 34 votes passed it. This was done3 with the express approval of rthe Republicans, who really wanted it to pass, but did not want to vote for it.


At any rate, there is no stopping it now.  It is a done deal. And the best one they could get.

The alternative would be war.
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