More Demawon't Shenanigans

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is not worded as a treaty, even thought it is clearly a treaty.

No matter who the next president is, he/she will honor this as though it were a treaty.

It is a DONE DEAL The fat lady has sung. Bitch all you want, but you lost and it's over.

[Plane]

This is not worded as a treaty, even thought it is clearly a treaty.

No matter who the next president is, he/she will honor this as though it were a treaty.

It is a DONE DEAL The fat lady has sung. Bitch all you want, but you lost and it's over.

Note that John Kerry says it is not a treaty.

Because they cannot get a consensus or a majority or even a strong minority to agree to sign off on this being a good idea , there was never any attempt to make it have the status of a treaty.

It stands as an executive order and can be countermanded next week if the president sees any advantage to do so.

This is a pact between executives , and hasn't got the features of a treaty .

Of course if it were a treaty , the Iranians would still not feel more bound to the treaty than to their own manifest destiny.

  Remember the original problem is Iranian irrationality, not changed a whit by any of this.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is a treaty, and the next president will honor it, because the only alternate choice it to reject it and have the Iranians start immediately working on their nukes.

This was an agreement between six nations, and the US is only one of them.

It's a done deal and the Republicans managed to not have to vote for it.

If it works, that is the last they will say about it.

[sirs]

NEWS FLASH. ..... IT'S NOT A TREATY.  Only the Senate can ratify and APPROVE a treaty.  No ratification,  no treaty.  And no obligation for any future president to agree to either.  Those are just the facts

[Xavier_Onassis]

FLAsh flash

It will be treated as a treaty.  Being as no renegotiation of the deal is possible without the other four or five countries, and they are happy with it as it is, the only alternative is to drop it and have no treaty, leaving Iran to work on its bomb.

Supposedly. They have allegedly been from three to six months to completion for six years or so now.
All a bomb does is give Iran leverage and assurance that they will not be attacked.
Actually dropping a bomb would be a disaster for anyone who tried it.

[sirs]

No it won't.  It's just a piece of paper....especially to the likes of Iran.  There are "deals" made on the show of Survivor that are more binding.  Given Iran's track record of deceit & lying, they'll drop it like a bad habit, when it suits them, if not sooner.  Point is, its not a treaty, and as such there is no obligation for any future president to agree to either.  Those are just facts. 

Now, you can try to rationalize why a future President should still support the "deal", but that's mere speculation, vs the facts that have been presented to you

[Plane]

  It is not legally a treaty .

   The reason it is not a treaty is that it is impossible to convince more than a few Americans of any rank that it should be a treaty.

     If it delays the Iranian atomic bomb effort , that is a success , but why should we expect this ?