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Xavier_Onassis

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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2016, 05:09:51 PM »
There are no purely privatized (or capitalist) systems, because this is impossible.
All the roads and streets being for-profit and privately owned, for example. Sections of a river and thye water in it being privately owned, for example.

There are also entirely no purely collectivized societies.
Even in North Korea, people own their own clothing, furniture, toothbrushes and such.

Each and every human society is partly collectivized and partly private.
So we cannot exclude all privacy or all collectivization. When we discuss political systems, we are talking about the mix.

I say we would be better off with collectivized health care, because free market economics and competition cannot work in health care.
You cannot compare prices of open heart surgery at Hospital A  with that of Hospital B after you have had a cardiac infarction.
Most hospitals refuse to even tell patients what their procedures cost prior to performing them. They prefer to force thew hapless patient to sign an agreement that is essentially a blank check, obliging this to pay whatever the hospital business office can dream up.

This is where government must step in and tell the hospital that they MUST provide a set fee for specific procedures. Mechanics must do this, contractors must do this.

Every advanced country on this planet has some form of universal health care. Obama was victorious in getting this started and there will be no going back.

Three cheers for President Barack Obama!   Hip hip HOORAY!   Hip hip HOORAY!    Hip hip HOORAY!
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2016, 10:30:54 AM »
Every advanced country on this planet has some form of universal health care. Obama was victorious in getting this started and there will be no going back.

Three cheers for President Barack Obama!   Hip hip HOORAY!   Hip hip HOORAY!    Hip hip HOORAY!

Hahaha!

All right , I accept that this is a planet in which I can be exactly wrong.

It is even possible that you are exactly right about this particular thing.

But ...

Much was promised that has yet to be seen.

Cost has not fallen, keeping our already satisfactory insurance is not allowed, many unemployed are not served any better than before ,etc..

So if the proof of the pudding is the tasting thereof.
Where is the benefit that was worthy of this much disruption?

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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2016, 11:31:27 AM »
More people like the care the get now than did previously. If it has not improved, it is because the idiot Republican'ts have blocked all efforts to improve it. Asshole Gov Scott refuses to allow Floridians to benefit from it.
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2016, 01:40:07 PM »
More people like the care the get now than did previously.

link please.  Not just your say so


"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2016, 10:01:26 PM »
More people like the care the get now than did previously. If it has not improved, it is because the idiot Republican'ts have blocked all efforts to improve it. Asshole Gov Scott refuses to allow Floridians to benefit from it.

Some of my children have been the right age to benefit.

But 26 will pass for all of them after a while.

Then what?

This has turned out to be a small benefit for a few , at great cost to many.

It does not need tweaking , it needs so much repair it would be no disadvantage to destroy it first.

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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2016, 12:41:48 AM »
More people like the care the get now than did previously.

link please.  Not just your say so


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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2016, 11:51:44 AM »
sirs  SO enjoys his cricket serenades so much.

Obamacare will NOT be canceled or repealed entirely. Reform or doing nothing are the options.

Again, the US government, like all government already has many collectivist (Socialist) features. Socialism is with us forever by necessity. No way they are goi8ng to privatize the Interstates and other highways and sell TVA, Grand Coolie Dam and Boulder Dam to any private corporations.
The argument is not about whether this is a country with Socialist institutions It has had them since the Erie Canal. It is only the DEGREE of Socialism that we have.
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2016, 01:32:37 PM »
So....in other words, you have no validating facts to support the claim that "more people like the care they're getting" under Obamanation care, than prior.  Just your 99% wrong opinionated say so.  Glad we got that cleared up
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2016, 05:58:33 PM »
Watch and see. No one is repealing Obamacare. Not gonna happen. Nope, no way.

It would be of no use to show you a poll, because you only believe rightwing crap.
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2016, 06:40:10 PM »
Lol....you're going to show us a poll of DNC members perhaps?   Union bosses?  Actually...and we've addressed this already. ... you backing up your claims with actual facts has zero to do with me believing your claim.  It's everything to to wirh supporting your own opinion, and turning it into a credible claim, unable to be refuted by the likes of me

But you already know that, which is why you didn't provide any facts to bolster the notion that more people like their post Obamacare Care compared to before.  Because its "obviously" not true.....just another in a long laundry list of bogus unsubstantiated wishful thinking.   Well done
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 08:35:42 PM by sirs »
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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2016, 10:11:50 PM »
  I am paying a lot more for insurance coverage, and I don't see insurance companies complaining about it.

   Obamacare is a boon to the insurance companies, they will defend it if no one else does.


    Perhaps we are stuck with it , but I really think that everyone who is paying a lot more money for their insurance, plus, everyone who is still not covered at all  , amount to a strong displeased majority.

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Re: Is this not the case?
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2016, 11:11:45 PM »
Should we post the plethora of polls that demonstrate how a majority of the country does not care for Obamacare??
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle