myths about school shootings

[kimba1]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15111438/


the sad part alot of info here parents will abosultely not believe.
ex. goths are not natural serial killers.
no partents will buy that
they`re even a lifetime movie about how evil they are-starring annie potts

[Plane]

Arn't three and four contradictory?


Someday we will be teaching Judo to all students and arming all teachers.

[kimba1]

not quite,but they do kinda over lap
people can know something is wrong without the person threatening anyone.
that list if you look at it in big picture context.
indicate folks are in deniel something is wrong til it happens and even after.
ex. columbine -this kids made a ton of explosive in the garage and the parents didn`t know.
I forget to put the tools back in the garage my parents give me a half hour talk about rust.
how the hell they not notice those boys doing stuff in the garage

[sirs]

OK, this is going to sound so politically incorrect, but has it not been made aware that the strict firearms regulations surrounding schools, (the aptly named "gun-free zone"), broadcasts a big beacon to any twisted crazed gun toting maniac(s) that "hey, lookee here....no guns to defend themselves....come 1, come all.  Easy pickens"

Is that not an accurate observation?

[Plane]

That describes the situation when there is a desire to harm indescrimately.


But isn't indescrimanate killing with no gain sort of a minority of murders?


A few days ago a kid with a wepon was turned back from a school when he was spotted and confrounted before he got in.

Would insureing the arming of plenty of guardians save enough lives to be worthy of the troubble?

How often would we even know that one was saved?

[kimba1]

the list I linked kinda covered that.

school violence is actually very low,but more publicly known now.

one has to wonder how bad it was in the old days.

I remember quite a few anti-juvy movies in the fifties & sixties.

on the guns in school issue
too many adults are not mature enough to handle a gun.
there is too high a chance of something going wrong with armed people hanging around schools with children.responsible gun owners will agree
you need training to handle a gun
it`s not just point and shoot.
all those new years stories of some guy shoot his gun in the air killing someone are not exactly myths.

[sirs]

I think you missed my point Kimba.  1st off, no one is advocating that there simply be "guns at school", and simply handled by an adult vs a child.  I've seen plenty of "adults" who have no business handling a firearm.  2nd off, the "gun free zone" remians just that...an area free of any effective defense against any would be yahoo armed to the teeth.  Lastly, I support 100% TRAINING of selective school staff, to carry and handle a concealed firearm.  Not an army of security, not AR-15's and Uzi's, just a few staff who are well trained to handle such incidents that may occur.

[Amianthus]

2nd off, the "gun free zone" remians just that...an area free of any effective defense against any would be yahoo armed to the teeth.

Actually, the Gun Free School Zone Act was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1995 (United States v. Lopez).

[sirs]

I was referring to the zone in general, Ami.  There are many locales & business areas that would profess to be "gun free zones".  But I do thank you for the heads-up from the Fed stand point.  Do the States support that decision?

[Amianthus]

Do the States support that decision?

In general, no. Many states passed their own versions of the federal law when the Supreme Court said that Congress had overstepped it's bounds. Limitations on the commerce clause do not apply to states.

[sirs]

In general, no. Many states passed their own versions of the federal law when the Supreme Court said that Congress had overstepped it's bounds

That's kinda what I thought.  Many of the schools I went to as a Pediatric PT made it clear that they were "gun free zones"

[kimba1]

I think the question should be do schools need to defended with guns.
despite how it looks on tv ,school violence is actually quite low.
stating the school has no defenses is not saying much
law firms,doctors office,most business has no guns
and alot of those places get attacked also
most guards are unarmed.
schools overall don`t have whats needed to created this situation.
note all had a cause and effect.
banks woul;d be the biggest draw and have
I know of one bank that gets robbed every month.
I think thast one finally closed down.
law firms I work in pi$$ al;ot of folks we do get threats once in a while.
I have a real hard time finding replacements for my vacation.
beyound pulling teeth

[kimba1]

damn!!??!!
speaking of which it just happened
we`re on alert now.
talk about coincidences
no biggie
I remember him,he not that bad
just alittle bipolar-literally

[sirs]

I think the question should be do schools need to defended with guns

IMHO, given that what they'd be protecting is exponentially more valuable than jewels & money, my answer is a resounding "yes"

[kimba1]

as I stated earlier is the danger high enough ?
you state the value of the children,but not the degree of danger.
in ten years the rate has gone down.
you state the kids are vulnerable
 most places are vulnerable and don`t require guns
in fact my job is a terrorist target and subject to threats.
way more dangerous than any schoolground ,but we do have guns here.
it`s just not needed.
p.s.schools are public property
so a armed guard would be civil service
not exactly a good idea.