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Re: Poll from Christianity Today
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2007, 05:58:00 PM »
I would say that quite the opposite was true - - Christianity played a devastating role in the development of human rights in England (and on the Continent as well.)  Men and women were disembowelled, burnt at the stake and killed after other horrible tortures for following the "wrong" religion at the wrong time.  All with the blessings of the laws of England and its Church - - whichever one happened to be in the ascendancy at the time.  In a long, slow process of weeding the Christian religion and its variations out of the laws of the state, Englishmen gradually grew to an appreciation of freedom of conscience and belief, as much from self-preservation and revulsion at the results of the imposition of "Christian values" on the law as from any ideological conviction.

Well, I guess if you didn't mind the "trial by ordeal" law that existed prior to the imposition of "common law."

Actually, all your examples were the type of thing that was done under the trial by ordeal which existed prior to 1066. Stuff like carrying a red hot iron through town or snatching a stone from a pot of bioling water, and if your injuries healed within a certain period of time, you were innocent. The water test and the burning at the stake were practiced as ordeals as well. That type of thing was very common under the laws prior to William's invasion.
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Re: Poll from Christianity Today
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2007, 06:39:46 PM »
Actually, I was thinking more of fire as pure punishment for heretics than as a means of "trial by ordeal" - - as in Fox's Book of Martyrs, now on-line and free: 

http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox115.htm

religious tolerance entered into the English law after each religous faction fell under the other's power and their followers began wondering who's next.

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Re: Poll from Christianity Today
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2007, 06:51:18 PM »
religious tolerance entered into the English law after each religous faction fell under the other's power and their followers began wondering who's next.

Religious tolerance wasn't so big before the imposition of common law, either.

You act as if intolerance to other religions came with Christianity. It didn't.
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Re: Poll from Christianity Today
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2007, 01:58:11 AM »
<<You act as if intolerance to other religions came with Christianity. It didn't.>>

It obviously started in the Old Testament, but the Christians refined it into an art form.  They brought it to its pinnacle.

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Re: Poll from Christianity Today
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2007, 06:59:13 AM »
It obviously started in the Old Testament, but the Christians refined it into an art form.  They brought it to its pinnacle.

And all those intolerant "other" religions? No biggy? It's only bad if the Christians and Jews did it?
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