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Precisely what he should have done
« on: July 02, 2007, 10:39:30 PM »
Didn't pardon, didn't overturn the conviction, didn't disregard the jury's verdict, simply believed the sentence of prison was greater than someone convicted of lying under oath for a crime that was never committed.  He said he would fire anyone that illegally leaked Plame's name.  Libbey neither leaked it, nor was it even apparently illegal.  Finally, Bush does something right, and it's been a while

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Bush Commutes Libby Prison Sentence

Jul 2, 2007
By BEN FELLER


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush spared former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby from a 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case Monday, stepping into a criminal case with heavy political overtones on grounds that the sentence was just too harsh.

Bush's move came hours after a federal appeals panel ruled Libby could not delay his prison term in the CIA leak case. That meant Libby was likely to have to report to prison soon and put new pressure on the president, who had been sidestepping calls by Libby's allies to pardon the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney.

"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison."

Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, and Bush said his action still "leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby."
 
Libby was convicted in March of lying to authorities and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative's identity. He was the highest-ranking White House official ordered to prison since the Iran-Contra affair.

Reaction was harsh from Democrats.

"As Independence Day nears, we are reminded that one of the principles our forefathers fought for was equal justice under the law. This commutation completely tramples on that principle," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said through a spokesman.

Libby's supporters celebrated.

"That's fantastic. It's a great relief," said former Ambassador Richard Carlson, who helped raise millions for Libby's defense fund. "Scooter Libby did not deserve to go to prison and I'm glad the president had the courage to do this."

A message seeking comment from Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's office was not immediately returned.

Bush said Cheney's former aide was not getting off free.

"The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged," Bush said. "His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant and private citizen will be long-lasting."

A spokeswoman for Cheney said simply, "The vice president supports the president's decision."

The president's announcement came just as prison seemed likely for Libby. He recently lost an appeals court fight that was his best chance to put the sentence on hold, and the U.S. Bureau of Prisons had already designated him inmate No. 28301-016.

Bush's statement made no mention of the term "pardon," and he made clear that he was not willing to wipe away all penalties for Libby.

The president noted Libby supporters' argument that the punishment did not fit the crime for a "first-time offender with years of exceptional public service."

Yet, he added, "Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr. Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable."

Bush then stripped away the prison time.

The leak case has hung over the White House for years. After CIA operative Valerie Plame's name appeared in a 2003 syndicated newspaper column, Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald questioned top administration officials, including Bush and Cheney, about their possible roles.

Nobody was ever charged with the leak, including Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage or White House political adviser Karl Rove, who provided the information for the original article. Prosecutors said Libby obstructed the investigation by lying about how he learned about Plame and whom he told.

Plame believes Libby and other White House officials conspired to leak her identity to reporters in 2003 as retribution against her husband, Joseph Wilson, who criticized what he said was the administration's misleading use of prewar intelligence on Iraq.

Attorney William Jeffress said he had spoken to Libby briefly by phone and "I'm happy at least that Scooter will be spared any prison time. ... The prison sentence was imminent but obviously the conviction itself is a heavy blow to Scooter."

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2007, 11:16:58 PM »
One liar gets another out of jail.

Will the pardon will come later?


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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2007, 11:24:29 PM »
<<One liar gets another out of jail.>>

Too true.  Although I have to say I expected as much.  The alternative was to let Libby appeal to the Supreme Court and have those clowns embarrass themselves yet again with their partisan antics.  I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of them secretly asked Bush to keep their skirts out of the puddle on this one.

Bottom line, though, is who gives a shit?  When all the lies and corruption and sheer disasters of the Bush Administration are finally laid out in a row by the historians, this one will rank as one of the tiniest of them all.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 12:01:12 AM »
Scum protecting scum while scum nod their heads and say, "That's the right thing to do."

Rule of law doesn't exist in this country.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 12:07:19 AM »
The White House got tired of hearing people whine about the stepping stone to full pardon so they turned off the phone lines.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 12:10:00 AM »
So......which one of you 3 is Curly?      ;D
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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 12:14:52 AM »
The one that says, "Go fuck yourself, scumbag piece of shit."  Seriously, anyone cheering this is a scumbag piece of shit because you're cheering the obstruction of justice.  Basically, Bush is allowing Libby to give some pocketchange up in order to get a little obstruction of justice from the menu.  Libby's loaded, he won't miss it.

Guess that's me.

Woopwoopwoopwoopwoop!  Nyahnyahnyah!!  Woof!  AWoooof!


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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 12:32:23 AM »
The thing that amused me was this timeline:
Denied the motion to stay out of prison while sentence is being appealed at about 9:30 am.
Sentence commuted at about 3 pm. 

Somebody didn't want Scooter talking. 
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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 12:38:10 AM »
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Somebody didn't want Scooter talking.

I'm pretty sure there is a book deal in the works. So i guess he'll talk via that medium.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 02:05:53 AM »
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Somebody didn't want Scooter talking.

I'm pretty sure there is a book deal in the works. So i guess he'll talk via that medium.


Oh, that's a healthy way to see this whole thing.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 03:15:11 AM »
The one that says, "Go fuck yourself, scumbag piece of shit."  Seriously, anyone cheering this is a scumbag piece of shit because you're cheering the obstruction of justice.

Someone must have missed the part where he's now a convicted felon and has to pay a quarter of a million dollars as a fine, HARDLY pocketchange.  And recognizing a railroad when I see it, doesn't negate the decision of the jury.  Once again, for the typing impaired, he was convicted of lying under oath regarding a crime that never occured, so how that becomes "cheering for Obstruction of Justice", is beyond me.

 
Basically, Bush is allowing Libby to give some pocketchange up in order to get a little obstruction of justice from the menu.  Libby's loaded, he won't miss it.

How this felony conviction and massive fine is getting "a little obstruction of justice from the menu" is pretty desperate rhetoric.  Perhaps I need to pull out the Clinton card......everyone lies about (fill in the blank).  Strange how a sitting President not only shouldn't have been sent to jail for his Obstruction of Justice, he shouldn't have even been prosecuted, much less convicted.  But if it's a Repub, must throw the book at him, even when it was a supposed lie about a crime that was never committed


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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 09:06:56 AM »
<<Once again, for the typing impaired, he was convicted of lying under oath regarding a crime that never occured, so how that becomes "cheering for Obstruction of Justice", is beyond me.>>

Well, let me help you out here.  In addition to being duly convicted by a jury of his peers of lying to Federal investigators, Libby was also duly convicted by the same jury of obstruction of justice.

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 09:44:07 AM »
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Someone must have missed the part where he's now a convicted felon and has to pay a quarter of a million dollars as a fine, HARDLY pocketchange.  And recognizing a railroad when I see it, doesn't negate the decision of the jury.  Once again, for the typing impaired, he was convicted of lying under oath regarding a crime that never occured, so how that becomes "cheering for Obstruction of Justice", is beyond me.

Scooter Libby is a multi-millionaire.  Relatively speaking $250,000 to him is pocket change.  And even if it wasn't, he has nice comfy slush defense fund that I will go out on a limb and assume could easily drop a quarter mil and not miss it either.

Obstruction of justice is still a crime regardless of whether or not anyone ever was proven to have outted Valerie Plame or not.  He threw dust in the eyes of the umpire and a jury of his peers convicted him for it and there was a punishment that an impartial judge said was NOT excessive.  Bush just didn't want Libby sitting in jail and not being able to take it like a man and spilling his guts on everything.  At best, it's special treatment for a crony.

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Perhaps I need to pull out the Clinton card

Why not?  It's what you guys always do.  It's pathetic and sad, but that's you.
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Naaa, you'd be Larry    Grin

Moot.  I re-iterate my "Go fuck yourself". 

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 11:18:50 AM »
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I re-iterate my "Go fuck yourself".

Isn't that the short version of Bush's speech?

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Re: Precisely what he should have done
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 11:37:27 AM »
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Someone must have missed the part where he's now a convicted felon and has to pay a quarter of a million dollars as a fine, HARDLY pocketchange.  And recognizing a railroad when I see it, doesn't negate the decision of the jury.  Once again, for the typing impaired, he was convicted of lying under oath regarding a crime that never occured, so how that becomes "cheering for Obstruction of Justice", is beyond me.

Obstruction of justice is still a crime regardless of whether or not anyone ever was proven to have outted Valerie Plame or not.  

No one said it wasn't.  Last time I checked it was the left trying to make Obstruction of Justice some miniscule no biggie kind of act, when their sitting President performed it, for all the world to see.  And when know how "outed" Valerie Plame, Armitage from the State Dept.  And we (Fitzgerald) knew that LONG before Libby's inconsistent comments were made


He threw dust in the eyes of the umpire and a jury of his peers convicted him for it and there was a punishment that an impartial judge said was NOT excessive.  Bush just didn't want Libby sitting in jail and not being able to take it like a man and spilling his guts on everything.  At best, it's special treatment for a crony.

If your scenario had any merit, Bush would have pardoned him completely.  He still has a felony conviction that will follow him for the rest of his life, he still has to pay his quarter of a million, so trying to keep erroneously claiming how Libby's getting away with something is simply more of that BDS manifesting itself


Moot.  I re-iterate my "Go fuck yourself".  

Ooooo, gotta love the civility


<<Once again, for the typing impaired, he was convicted of lying under oath regarding a crime that never occured, so how that becomes "cheering for Obstruction of Justice", is beyond me.>>

In addition to being duly convicted by a jury of his peers of lying to Federal investigators, Libby was also duly convicted by the same jury of obstruction of justice.

And........that changes my query, how again?
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