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Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« on: July 06, 2007, 11:21:12 PM »
Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007

Today marks ?D +16? of Operation ?Arrowhead Ripper,? the Battle for Baqubah. Arrowhead Ripper kicked off on 19 June 07. I have several dispatches in the works about the major events since that time. Although the serious fighting seems to be over, there remains a possibility for some sharp fighting in the near future. The morning of 06 July began with the sounds of American cannons firing, shells whizzing through the air, while they checked systems and aiming for combat. Apache helicopters orbited Baqubah as the orange sun crested into view.

Media coverage went from a near monopoly (Michael Gordon from New York Times and me) to a nearly capsized boat as journalists flooded in from other parts of Iraq to see the fight. They managed to miss most of it. Today, I?m told, there are now only 3 journalists remaining, including one writer (me).

As with the Battle for Mosul, which I held in near monopoly for about five months during 2005, the most interesting parts of the Battle for Baqubah are unfolding after the major fighting ends. But as the guns cool, the media stops raining and starts evaporating, or begins making only short visits of a week or so.

The big news on the streets today is that the people of Baqubah are generally ecstatic, although many hold in reserve a serious concern that we will abandon them again. For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the ?al Ameriki tribe,? or ?tribe America.?

I?ve seen this kind of progression in Mosul, out in Anbar and other places, and when I ask our military leaders if they have sensed any shift, many have said, yes, they too sense that Iraqis view us differently. In the context of sectarian and tribal strife, we are the tribe that people can?more or less and with giant caveats?rely on.

Most Iraqis I talk with acknowledge that if it was ever about the oil, it?s not now. Not mostly anyway. It clearly would have been cheaper just to buy the oil or invade somewhere easier that has more. Similarly, most Iraqis seem now to realize that we really don?t want to stay here, and that many of us can?t wait to get back home. They realize that we are not resolved to stay, but are impatient to drive down to Kuwait and sail away. And when they consider the Americans who actually deal with Iraqis every day, the Iraqis can no longer deny that we really do want them to succeed. But we want them to succeed without us. We want to see their streets are clean and safe, their grass is green, and their birds are singing. We want to see that on television. Not in person. We don?t want to be here. We tell them that every day. It finally has settled in that we are telling the truth.

Now that all those realizations and more have settled in, the dynamics here are changing in palpable ways.

Since my reporting of the massacre at the al Hamari village, many readers at home have asked how anyone can know that al Qaeda actually performed the massacre. The question is a very good one, and one that I posed from the first hour to Iraqis and Americans while trying to ascertain facts about the killings.

No one can claim with certainty that it was al Qaeda, but the Iraqis here seem convinced of it. At a meeting today in Baqubah one Iraqi official I spoke with framed the al Qaeda infiltration and influence in the province. Although he spoke freely before a group of Iraqi and American commanders, including Staff Major General Abdul Kareem al Robai who commands Iraqi forces in Diyala, and LTC Fred Johnson, the deputy commander of 3-2 Stryker Brigade Combat Team, the Iraqi official asked that I withhold his identity from publication. His opinion, shared by others present, is that al Qaeda came to Baqubah and united many of the otherwise independent criminal gangs.

Speaking through an American interpreter, Lieutenant David Wallach who is a native Arabic speaker, the Iraqi official related how al Qaeda united these gangs who then became absorbed into ?al Qaeda.? They recruited boys born during the years 1991, 92 and 93 who were each given weapons, including pistols, a bicycle and a phone (with phone cards paid) and a salary of $100 per month, all courtesy of al Qaeda. These boys were used for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people.

At first, he said, they would only target Shia, but over time the new al Qaeda directed attacks against Sunni, and then anyone who thought differently. The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man?s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, ?What did he say?? Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.

The Deputy Governor for Diyala Province had told me on 04 July that al Qaeda burned the home of a Provincial Council leader named Abdul Jabar. Jabar, an Iraqi official who has no reservations about being named as a source, provided information about the killings I described in the dispatch ?Bless the Beasts and Children.? Abdul Jabar lived in the area of the al Hamira village, which he said is properly spelled al Ahamir. Jabar agreed to a video interview, during which he said al Qaeda killed and disposed of hundreds of people in the area. He also said during the video interview that he did not believe the remains of the murder victims I saw were people from the village. Abdul Jabar believes the villagers were run out, and that the people being dug up were kidnapped from elsewhere.


Like many things in Iraq, the question of whether or not the murderers were al Qaeda is flawed from beginning. Al Qaeda is not a union, it doesn?t issue passports. What is al Qaeda but the collection of people who claim to be al Qaeda? Those responsible for murdering and burying those bodies in al Ahamir (or al Hamira) had the markers of al Qaeda, the same al Qaeda that had boastfully installed itself as the shadow government of Baqubah. The al Qaeda who committed atrocities in Afghanistan, New York . . . the list is long. As for al Ahamir, the massacre ?walks like a duck.? It happened in duck headquarters. The people here say the duck did it. The duck laughs.

And so on 05 July, or D + 16, after the meeting, Iraqi leaders including the Deputy Governor of Diyala, and also Abdul Jabar, one of the Provincial chair holders, headed to some of the most dangerous areas in Baqubah on what Americans would call ?a meet and greet.? At first the people seemed hesitant, but when they saw Iraqi leaders?along with members of their own press?asking citizens what they needed, each place we stopped grew into a festival of smiles.

The people were jubilant. None of the kids?and by the end of the day there were hundreds?asked me for anything, other than to take their photos. These were not the kids-made-brats by well-meaning soldiers, but polite Iraqi kids in situ, and the cameras were like a roller coaster ride for them. The kids didn?t care much for the video; they wanted still photos taken. While the kids were trying to get me to photograph them, it was as if the roller coaster was cranking and popping up the tracks, but when I finally turned the camera on them?snap!?it was as if the roller coaster had crested the apex and slipped into the thrill of gravity. Of course, once the ride ended, it only made some clamor for more. Iraqi kids that have not been spoiled by handouts are the funniest I have seen anywhere.


American soldiers just watched, but during one of the impromptu stops, an Iraqi man who might have been 30 years old came up and said that he?d been beaten up by soldiers from the 5th Iraqi Army. He had the marks on his face to lend initial credence. But most striking was that he hadn?t gone to the Iraqi leaders, nor did he come to the man with the camera and note pad. He did what I see Iraqis increasingly doing: he went to the local sheik of ?al Ameriki tribe.? In this case, the sheik was LTC Fred Johnson. (Note: I have not heard anyone calling the American commanders sheiks, but during meetings around Iraq, American officers often preside like sheiks and with sheiks.)

More and more Iraqis put their trust in Americans as arbiters of justice. The man said he was afraid to complain to Iraqi officials because he might get killed, but he wanted to tell LTC Johnson, who listened carefully. When the man pleaded for anonymity, Johnson said he needed written statements from witnesses. The man pointed to some witnesses, and then disappeared and came back with statements, and I can say from my own eyes that Johnson was careful with those statements, guarding them until he could get alone with an Iraqi general later on 05 July.


On D +1 and for those first few days of Operation Arrowhead Ripper, the Iraqi leaders seemed mostly inert. But now on D+16, only about two weeks later, they are out politicking, showing their faces in public, letting the people know they are in charge. And, unlike the tired clich? of a politician in a parade, they truly have been working behind the scenes. I know because I sit in on the meetings, and listen to the progress reports as items on the lists get checked off. I hear the whining as each section of Baqubah seems to think they are the forgotten ones. ?Why the Sunni getting help first?? they ask. But then in another neighborhood, ?Why the Shia getting help first?? But I watch the sausage-making. LTC Johnson will say, ?Mike, c?mon. It?s time to make sausage and you need to see this.? It?s messy and frustrating. But food shipments have resumed to Baqubah after 10 months of nothing. Not that Diyala Province is starving: Diyala is, after all, Iraq?s breadbasket.

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm
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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 12:00:23 AM »
<<The official reported that  . . . al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man?s words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, ?What did he say?? Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.>>

And if you believe that, I have another story for you that you'll love.  Iraqi soldiers invaded the Kuwaiti hospital and stole the incubators.  But first they dumped the babys out of the incubators and left them to die on the hospital floor.

And if you believe that, I have another story for your.  Pvt. Jessica Lynch after heroically fighting off an enemy attack was captured and raped repeatedly by bestial Iraqi soldiers.

They should have stopped with the al Qaeda torture manual.  THAT one, I could believe.  Because it's what both sides do, and probably what the Americans themselves do in their secret prisons.  Else why the secrecy?
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<<Most Iraqis I talk with acknowledge that if it was ever about the oil, it's not now. Not mostly anyway.>>

No?  Funny then how passage of a hydrocarbons law is one of the benchmarks that must be reached before the U.S. can leave.

<< It clearly would have been cheaper just to buy the oil or invade somewhere easier that has more. >>

Slowly, the Iraqis are coming to grips with the idea of hindsight being always 20/20.

<<Similarly, most Iraqis seem now to realize that we really don't want to stay here, and that many of us can't wait to get back home. They realize that we are not resolved to stay, but are impatient to drive down to Kuwait and sail away.>>

And of course, if that's what the troops on the ground want, then Bush and Cheney and the American military-industrial complex must want it even more.  Because at bottom aren't they ALL just dirt-poor redneck hillbilly morons with the same wants and needs?

Ahh, but who am I to rain on Michael Yon's parade?  There's a new morning in Iraq, and its name is American Military Occupation.  The conquered are learning to love their conquerors, to thank them for invading them and to bless them for killing, imprisoning, torturing and murdering tens of thousands of Iraqis in an ongoing bloodbath that seems to have no end.  Thank you, thank you, America, seems to pour from every Arab tongue.  It's going to be really funny to read this stuff in a couple of years' time.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 12:12:50 AM »
There are similarities between your disbelief of the report and holocaust deniers.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 12:31:25 AM »
<<There are similarities between your disbelief of the report and holocaust deniers.>>

Yeah?  What about my disbelief in the story about the stolen incubators and the dumped-out babies?  Any similarities between my disbelief in that whopper and Holocaust deniers?

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 12:53:09 AM »
We aren't talking about the incubators and the dumped out babies.

We are talking about 11 year old kids served as lunch in the same town that women, children men and livestock were slaughtered.

Just because the weatherman predicted that it would rain yesterday and it didn't, does not mean it isn't raining now.

 

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 01:29:23 AM »
<<We aren't talking about the incubators and the dumped out babies.>>

No, I understand that.  You only like to talk about U.S. lies and bullshit BEFORE they're exposed as lies and bullshit rather than after.

<<We are talking about 11 year old kids served as lunch in the same town that women, children men and livestock were slaughtered.>>

You're talking about 11-year-old kids ALLEGEDLY served as lunch in the same town where someone discovered the bodies of six people killed at various different times in the past and two dead donkeys.

If you can't see the striking similarities between the dead-kids-as-luncheon-meat story and the babies-dumped-from-their-own-incubators story, that's your problem.  Most people would get it right away.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 01:35:23 AM »
No actually we are talking about any story Michael  Yon posts must be a lie. Why is that? Is your distrust on the same level as the deniers? Think about it.

BTW the body count was upwards to 30. I posted a follow up to it, i'm pretty sure.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 01:41:03 AM »
<<We aren't talking about the incubators and the dumped out babies.>>

.............

If you can't see the striking similarities between the dead-kids-as-luncheon-meat story and the babies-dumped-from-their-own-incubators story, that's your problem.  Most people would get it right away.

The diffrence between the two storys is the fullness of time has opened the truth to better examination in the older one.

The newer one is not yet so ripe.

If this story is being created simularly to the Incubator story then it is being created by Arab people desprate for help .

If it is actually true , I would not be surprised , terror is the tool of terrorism and the product , I wouldn't put this past them.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 01:48:28 AM »
<<The diffrence between the two storys is the fullness of time has opened the truth to better examination in the older one.>>

Fullness of time, my ass.  The second I heard the incubator story, I knew it was bullshit.  And for the exact same reason that I knew this kids-for-lunch story is bullshit.

<<The newer one is not yet so ripe.>>

It is OBVIOUSLY a crock.  It certainly won't get better with time.

<<If this story is being created simularly to the Incubator story then it is being created by Arab people desprate for help .>>

More accurately, by brown-nosing collaborators telling their conquerors whatever they think the conquerors want to hear.  They're smarter than you are.

<<If it is actually true , I would not be surprised , terror is the tool of terrorism and the product , I wouldn't put this past them.>>

If you can even consider the possibility that this story  might  be true, you're a bigger sucker than I thought you were.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 02:03:51 AM »
<<If it is actually true , I would not be surprised , terror is the tool of terrorism and the product , I wouldn't put this past them.>>

If you can even consider the possibility that this story might  be true, you're a bigger sucker than I thought you were.


Why can't it be true?

An action that engenders horror and disgust seems in character to the Al Queda as I know them , I do take such storys with a grain of salt , because ,they are false as often as not and are not restricted to Arabs  , in the run up to WWI there was a commonly told tale of Belgin children having their hands chopped off by German soldiers , this turned out to be a hoax and as a hoax it was remembered when rumors of Nazi atrocity were trickling out of occupied Europe.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2007, 02:13:27 AM »
<<Why can't it be true?>>

Same reason the German atrocity tales of WWI (the Belgian kids story) couldn't be true, and the same reason the babies-dumped-from-incubators whopper couldn't be true.

Think about it, plane.  They're really all the same story.

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2007, 02:19:56 AM »
<<Why can't it be true?>>

Same reason the German atrocity tales of WWI (the Belgian kids story) couldn't be true, and the same reason the babies-dumped-from-incubators whopper couldn't be true.

Think about it, plane.  They're really all the same story.

That is right , the Belgin children mutilation , the mass killing at Autchwitz , the stolen incubators , the roasted 11 year old , are all cut from the same cloth, that one is false proves that another simular one, is false.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2007, 02:42:56 AM »
<<That is right , the Belgin children mutilation , the mass killing at Autchwitz , the stolen incubators , the roasted 11 year old , are all cut from the same cloth, that one is false proves that another simular one, is false.>>

You could not be more wrong.  The Auschwitz story is not  like the other three in any way, as far as credibility is concerned.  It was fully documented in army newsreels and front-page newspaper headlines and stories with photos (including survivor accounts) as soon as the camps were discovered and moreover was completely in line with what the Nazis had been preaching for years and the first half of the story (the mass deportations)  were already common knowledge when the news of the camps came out. 

I really thought you were smarter than that.

The other three stories are all linked by one simple common element which would immediately red-flag the story for any person of normal intelligence and judgment, but if you can't see it yourself, I am not going to waste my time any further in pointing it out.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2007, 03:02:21 AM »
<<That is right , the Belgin children mutilation , the mass killing at Autchwitz , the stolen incubators , the roasted 11 year old , are all cut from the same cloth, that one is false proves that another simular one, is false.>>

You could not be more wrong.  The Auschwitz story is not  like the other three in any way, as far as credibility is concerned.  It was fully documented in army newsreels and front-page newspaper headlines and stories with photos (including survivor accounts) as soon as the camps were discovered and moreover was completely in line with what the Nazis had been preaching for years and the first half of the story (the mass deportations)  were already common knowledge when the news of the camps came out. 

I really thought you were smarter than that.

The other three stories are all linked by one simple common element which would immediately red-flag the story for any person of normal intelligence and judgment, but if you can't see it yourself, I am not going to waste my time any further in pointing it out.

Yes , in the fullness of time the rumors of Natzi atrosity turned out to not only be true , but only an iceburg tip of a large and terrible truth , but while it was a current roumor there were plenty of people who remembered the earlyer , false, roumors and considered the simularity.

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Re: Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2007, 10:46:08 AM »
<<Yes , in the fullness of time the rumors of Natzi atrosity turned out to not only be true , but only an iceburg tip of a large and terrible truth , but while it was a current roumor there were plenty of people who remembered the earlyer , false, roumors and considered the simularity.>>

That's true.  I was thinking of the Auschwitz story as having started from the discovery of the camps.  Rumors were circulating long before then and they were disbelieved by many people because they remembered the fake German atrocity stories of WWI.

However, the Auschwitz story, even assessed from your POV,  just proves my point.  I believe if I myself had heard it for the first time during the course of the war, I might not have believed it.  I might well have felt, well they pulled this shit before.  Made up all kinds of bullshit stories about German atrocities in the past, how do we know they're not doing the same thing all over again? 

HOWEVER, there is nothing   about the story in itself that makes one immediately see that it has to be bullshit.  There was no red flag on it.  The same common thread that runs through the "lunchtime," and "incubator" stories  was absent in the Auschwitz story.

The Belgian atrocity stories were of various types, some more believable than others.  The ones that you cited in this thread were exactly the same type of story as "incubator" and "lunch-time!" stories and thus instantly recognizable as fakes.

I'm surprised - - really surprised - - that you just can't or won't see how your Belgian atrocity story and the incubator and lunch-time! stories are all really just the same old story.  You must have your intellectual blinders on.