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Specter to probe Supreme Court decisions
« on: July 28, 2007, 02:49:50 PM »
 Specter to probe Supreme Court decisions
By: Carrie Budoff
July 25, 2007 10:50 AM EST

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) plans to review the Senate testimony of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel A. Alito to determine if their reversal of several long-standing opinions conflicts with promises they made to senators to win confirmation.

Specter, who championed their confirmation, said Tuesday he will personally re-examine the testimony to see if their actions in court match what they told the Senate.

"There are things he has said, and I want to see how well he has complied with it," Specter said, singling out Roberts.

The Specter inquiry poses a potential political problem for the GOP and future nominees because Democrats are increasingly complaining that the Supreme Court moved quicker and more dramatically than advertised to overturn or chip away at prior decisions.

Specter, the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, who served as chairman during the hearings, said he wants to examine whether Roberts and Alito have "lived up" to their assurances that they would respect legal precedents.

Judicial independence is "so important," Specter said, but an examination could help with future nominations. "I have done a lot of analyzing and have come to the conclusion that these nominees answer just as many questions as they have to."

Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), a Judiciary Committee member who voted against both nominees, said a review "could lead us to have a different approach." He said senators need to be "more probing" with their questioning of nominees.

"Certainly Justice Roberts left a distinct impression of his service as chief justice. And his performance on the court since, I think, has been in conflict with many of the statements he has made privately, as well as to the committee," said Durbin, who was unaware of Specter's idea.

"They are off to a very disturbing start, these two new justices. I am afraid before long they will call into question some of the most established laws and precedents in our nation."

The idea for a review came to Specter when he said he ran into Justice Stephen G. Breyer at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado.

Breyer, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, drew attention last month for suggesting that Roberts and the conservative majority were flouting stare decisis, the legal doctrine that, for the sake of stability, courts should generally leave past decisions undisturbed.

"It is not often in the law that so few have so quickly changed so much," Breyer said, reading his dissent from the bench to a 5-4 ruling that overturned school desegregation policies in two cities.

Roberts has defended his rulings as applications of "existing precedent."

Specter, however, said Breyer's statement was "an especially forceful criticism of the Roberts court."

"I only noticed it in a couple of cases," Specter said of the court overturning or undermining precedents. But Breyer, in their Aspen conversation, said "there were eight."

Those that have earned the most criticism from liberals were rulings that struck down desegregation programs, upheld a federal law prohibiting late-term abortions and weakened restrictions on broadcast ads during campaigns.

"The reality is, although John Roberts and Samuel Alito promised to follow precedent, they either explicitly or implicitly overruled precedent," said Erwin Chemerinsky, a Duke University law professor.

"It is important to point out how the confirmation hearings were a sham. There is nothing you can do about it now; they are there for life. But it is important as we look to future hearings."

Conservatives such as Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), a Judiciary Committee member, have no complaints. "I don't have any concerns about them whatsoever," Sessions said of Alito and Roberts.

Like other Republicans and many Democrats, Specter grilled the nominees on their approach to precedent, often as a way to discern their thoughts on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing abortion rights.

And Specter repeatedly sought assurances that Roberts and Alito would respect what the senator considered settled law.

Roberts said there would be instances that called for a reconsideration of prior decisions. But, he added, "I do think that it is a jolt to the legal system when you overrule a precedent. Precedent plays an important role in promoting stability and evenhandedness."

Alito called stare decisis "a very important doctrine," although it was not an "inexorable command."

"I agree that, in every case in which there is a prior precedent, the first issue is the issue of stare decisis," Alito said. "And the presumption is that the court will follow its prior precedents. There needs to be a special justification for overruling a prior precedent."

Before voting to confirm Roberts and Alito, Specter cited their statements on precedent as reason enough to put them on the high court.

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) said at the time that he, too, found Roberts' statements "reassuring" and voted to confirm him. He voted against Alito.

"Oh, sure," Lieberman said Tuesday when asked whether he is concerned about the court's treatment of precedent. "I am interested in what Arlen has to say."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said the testimony from Roberts and Alito was misleading in light of their rulings.

"I very much got the idea, the strong chain of reasoning, that they had great respect for stare decisis and they didn't want to be activist judges," said Feinstein, who voted against both nominees. "As you know, some of these latest cases have pretty much shattered precedent."

A review could put "judges on notice that they can't come in front of the Judiciary Committee, say one thing and leave one impression, and then go out and do another," she added.

Specter, who said he will do the review when he "gets a spare moment," would not go as far as Feinstein on whether he feels misled.

"Don't put words in my mouth," Specter said.

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Re: Specter to probe Supreme Court decisions
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2007, 06:23:25 PM »
What the hell's the point?  Worst-case result, they lied, they got in.  What can anyone do about it now?  Fascists (or as they are still calling themselves now, "conservatives,")  have an agenda and they tend to lie about it over and over again.  Is anyone really surprised by all this?

Your country is being stolen from you, one little piece at a time.  You'll never get it back now.  Even if the "Democrats" get it back for another four years, or even eight years, the "Republicans" will get it back again after that and the next "Republican" administration will make this one look like flaming liberals.  You passed the point of no return a long time ago.

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2007, 08:07:06 PM »
I agree with Mikey as to what is the point.

Perhaps they just kept the promises they intended to keep.

Politicos themselves or their aides often feed the same perception that promises are made to be broken. Bill Clinton's advisor George Stephanopolous only raised a few eyebrows with his response to a question about whether Clinton was going to keep a particular campaign pledge: "The President" Stephanopolous said, "has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2007, 08:17:06 PM »
I don't know what the point is, really.  I am not sure why he's doing this; is there some action that can be taken against these justices?  Or is it just to say, "Hey, you lied, we know it." ?

Michael, we gotta try.  That's all we can do. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2007, 08:46:53 PM »
I know that Federal Judges can be impeached, I would think that the same would go for Supreme Court Justices (however, in the impeachment trial of the Chief Justice, who would preside at trial?).  Not that I'm advocating that in anyway.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2007, 08:48:51 PM »
What would you impeach Roberts for?

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2007, 09:36:08 PM »



Specter to see if "promises made" well points out the importance of questioning these petitioners in the first place.

I knew there would be trouble when the Democrats vainly went through the motions afterwards laudingly them in cloying penitance regarding their great resumes.

Real Democrats would have known to press them on the fascism that the press at least alluded to.

Too late now.

Most Americans have failed to realize, just when we are dusting the floor with the neocons, we are really only dusting the floor with their up-front lackies, and this crewe has established some strong legal beachheads, as exemplified by the judge who gave a legal permission slip to Cheney's energy group, comprised solely of oil and oil tool people (guessing here, as even their identities are kept secret), all other contributing voices be damned.  Result--automatic, uncontested way higher gas prices lamely justified under the most recent excuse, lack of refinery.  Who builds refineries, anyhow?

These two new fascists supreme court appointees are untouchable, especially from a bunch of sissies who okayed their applications with such fawning soft-ball.

We are in for it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2007, 10:36:57 PM »
<<I don't know what the point is, really.  I am not sure why he's doing this; is there some action that can be taken against these justices?  Or is it just to say, "Hey, you lied, we know it." ?>>

Far as I can see, there ain't a God-damn thing anybody can do about it.  In theory, the judges are picked for their legal expertise and so the questioning as to their political beliefs isn't proper anyway.  But in reality, they're picked in the first place for their political beliefs (does anyone, even sirs, believe that Clarence Thomas was picked for his legal scholarship?) so why SHOULDN'T they be questioned on political beliefs?  (Of course, that totally destroys the fiction that the post is apolitical.)

<<Michael, we gotta try.  That's all we can do. >>

I know, Lanya, you're right and I was wrong.  I was just venting a little bitterness there.  It is just so discouraging to see that the people who you elected to lead you out of the cesspool had sold out before they even started their terms.  With "leadership" like that, where can you go but downhill?  I suggest the first order of business for REAL Democrats is some thorough house-cleaning.  The DLC, Reed, Pelosi, all of them Oh You Tee.  Even if they lead you to "victory" in 08, that's victory for THEM not for you.  You need Kucinich Democrats, Dean Democrats, McKinney Democrats.  REAL Democrats, not the God-awful fakes you have now.

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Re: Specter to probe Supreme Court decisions
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2007, 11:17:21 PM »
Please explain why it would be OK for your side to place ideological fellows on the bench, but god help the otherside if it does.

Could we at least be consistent?

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007, 11:34:19 PM »
I don't think the Democrats did place hard-left ideologues on the bench.  The Republicans placed hard-right ideologues on the bench.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2007, 12:37:42 AM »
If the dividing line is Roe vs Wade how many pro-life advocates did the dems place on the court?

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2007, 12:48:45 AM »
I don't think the Democrats did place hard-left ideologues on the bench.  The Republicans placed hard-right ideologues on the bench.


It does not matter.

What does matter is relevance in terms of the here and now. 

What does matter is that as long as the boundaries of the argument must always be considered in a ping pong, two party banter, the issue will not be addressed, and it can slink on in its created permissibility.

What does matter is that the side of the Republicans now is well beyond that anything that is commonly considered conservative, and is now that which can credibly be considered as fascist.

That is the point.

It is not that these two justices are Republican.

It is not that they are conservative.

It is that they are fascist.

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Re: Specter to probe Supreme Court decisions
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2007, 01:01:38 AM »
What would you impeach Roberts for?

I wouldn't.

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 01:09:45 AM »
What would you impeach Roberts for?

I wouldn't.



And, hypothetically, should Roberts need to be replaced, and the choice was only between Bork, Elliott Richardson, or Wm Ruckleshaus, who would you vote for?

Hypothetical, remember.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2007, 01:13:49 AM »
A friend from a rural county wrote me about this article.
"We could see these guys were crooked. Why couldn't the Senators?"
I told her that the senators have many parachutes: money, land, investments, health care, jobs, etc.  So they go like a leaf on a quiet stream, this way and that, wherever is easiest. 
We don't matter to them. They'll go live in Majorca if it gets bad here.
We got them, is all we have, in between us and the abyss.
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