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88% say Stark should not apologize
« on: October 20, 2007, 01:39:23 PM »
CNN Poll: 88% say Rep. Stark should not apologize
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Friday October 19, 2007
   

CNN is reporting that 88% of those voting in their Friday morning online poll say there is no reason Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) should apologize for remarks blasting President Bush on the floor of the House of Representatives.

In the course of debate on expanding SCHIP funding, Stark told Congressional Republicans (video, story), "You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people, if we could get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their head's blow off for the president's amusement."

House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner quickly issued a statement demanding a retraction and apology, in which he said, "Our troops in Iraq are fighting against al-Qaeda and other radical jihadists hellbent on killing the people we are sent here to represent. Congressman Stark?s statement dishonors not only the Commander-in-Chief, but the thousands of courageous men and women of America?s armed forces who believe in their mission and are putting their lives on the line for our freedom and security."

There has predictably been support for Stark on the left, along with endorsements of Boehner's outrage on the right. A thread at the liberal Democratic Underground site asked members to "DU this CNN poll!" but also expressed amusement that the sentiment in favor of Stark was already running at 87% to 13%. One commenter suggested that "the poll has been Freeped, it was 89% before, now it's 87%," to which another replied "amazing what consitutes freeping these daze."

"Freeping" is a reference to the practice initiated at the conservative Free Republic message board some years ago of sending members to overwhelm online polls with indications of support for right-wing policies and politicians. Liberal sites like Democratic Underground and Daily Kos then began countering this strategy with similar exhortations of their own.

The lopsided result of the CNN poll is striking, especially since the mainstream consensus seems to be that even if Stark was just shooting his mouth off, as he has many times in the past, he may have crossed a line of bad taste in suggesting that the president actively enjoys seeing American soldiers' heads blown off.

For example, when Keith Olbermann indicated on his program that he felt there was "something refreshing about his at least refusal to back down," guest Jonathan Alter responded that Stark's comments were "silly and counterproductive, and the best thing for him to do would be to apologize and move on."

MSNBC's "First Read" blog eneumerated Stark's history of inflammatory remarks: "On another occasion he publicly questioned the provenance of J.C. Watts' offspring, comments that so enraged the former Oklahoma quarterback that he angrily marched up to Stark on the House floor and had to be restrained from beating the living daylights out of the 70-something liberal. Also, during a gun control debate some years back, Stark suggested that opponents of gun control were phallically challenged. And not too long ago, he called a GOP opponent on the Ways and Means committee a 'fruitcake' during committee proceedings."

The following video is from CNN's American Morning, broadcast on October 19, 2007.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Poll_88_say_Rep._Stark_1019.html
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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 01:46:30 PM »
Oh good gravy....only in today's society is it news to report polling on if some politican should apologize for exercising his 1st amendment right say something stupid        ::)     He should, but to report polling data on if he should??  oy
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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 01:51:46 PM »
That's very encouraging news.  Hope the DLC get the message.

Speaking of freeping, did anyone here pick up that CNBC pulled its poll of who won the Republican candidates' debate when all questions showed an overwhelming sentiment in favour of Ron Paul?  I don't think the term "freeping" was actually used, but the spokesperson for CNBC claimed that the poll was artificially skewed in Paul's favour by his supporters. 

Maybe there's some way of electronically monitoring the TV so that the only people who can vote in the polls are the ones who actually watched the debate?  I can see a legitimate danger in freeping in that appeals can be made online to people who never watched the debate to vote for a winner.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 01:59:29 PM »
Another reason to mistrust polls.

There were already plenty.

I don't see much point in demanding an apology , this guy is getting re-elected even tjhough he id disrespectfull to people on a regular basis.

He must be the proper representation of the rude.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 02:17:53 PM »
I don't see much point in demanding an apology , this guy is getting re-elected even tjhough he id disrespectfull to people on a regular basis.  He must be the proper representation of the rude.

*snicker*.......must be
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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 02:30:57 PM »
<<He must be the proper representation of the rude.>>

or the fed-up.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2007, 02:31:47 PM »
I think we'll go with option A, on this 1
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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2007, 02:41:02 PM »
<<He must be the proper representation of the rude.>>

or the fed-up.


The Fed Up would include conservatives no less than liberals .

Bing more emotional , less rational , more insulting , less compromiseing  is a route anyone can choose.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2007, 02:47:11 PM »
<<Bing more emotional , less rational , more insulting , less compromiseing  is a route anyone can choose.>>

Seems to be the route that 88% of the poll respondents chose. 

Seems like a normal response to Bush and his murderous lies and disastrous failures. 

There ARE occasions when emotional responses like anger are the only appropriate ones; when insults are richly deserved; and when all occasions for compromise have been blown. 

There is no point treating Bush with kid gloves just because through some chicanery he has managed to become "President" of the U.S.A. any more than there was any point in treating Hitler with kid gloves just because he had managed to murder his way into the Chancellorship of Germany.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2007, 02:52:16 PM »
<<Bing more emotional , less rational , more insulting , less compromiseing  is a route anyone can choose.>>


There ARE occasions when emotional responses like anger are the only appropriate ones; when insults are richly deserved; and when all occasions for compromise have been blown. 




Yes anytime that the liberals are getting ahead we should rouse the rabble.

Lberl lynch mobs of course are not rabble.

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2007, 02:54:11 PM »
<<Bing more emotional , less rational , more insulting , less compromiseing  is a route anyone can choose.>>

Seems to be the route that 88% of the poll respondents chose.  

Hate to break this to you Tee, the poll was if Stark should apologise, not on how rude or insulting he wasn't



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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2007, 02:58:47 PM »
<<Hate to break this to you Tee, the poll was if Stark should apologise, not on how rude or insulting he wasn't>>

Not sure where or how YOU were raised, sirs, but where I come from, it's a given that if you are rude or insulting, you owe someone an apology.  I'm pretty sure most Americans, if not you personally, were raised on the same values.  Voting that Stark should not apologize means that they do not believe he was rude or insulting.  Get it?

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2007, 03:06:16 PM »
<<Hate to break this to you Tee, the poll was if Stark should apologise, not on how rude or insulting he wasn't>>

Not sure where or how YOU were raised, sirs, but where I come from, it's a given that if you are rude or insulting, you owe someone an apology. 

Welcome to the land of Free Speech, where it's not only not owed, it's frequently repelled when aimed at Bush, Republicans, Christians, and/or Conservatives

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2007, 04:25:48 PM »
<<Welcome to the land of Free Speech, where it's not only not owed, it's frequently repelled when aimed at Bush, Republicans, Christians, and/or Conservatives>>

Not sure that I take your meaning, sirs.  I don't see too many apologies headed Bush's way, or the others you mentioned.  Are you implying that apologies have been made and rejected?  Who?  when?

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Re: 88% say Stark should not apologize
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2007, 04:28:23 PM »
Try to pay attention, Tee.   ::)
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