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[BT]

who happened to be American mercenaries deserving of no respect anyway

who happened to be Jews who deserved what they got.

Who happened to be blacks who deserved what they got.

Who happened to be muslims who deserved what they got.

Who happened to be christians who deserved what they got.

Who happened to be indians who deserved what they got.

Who happened to be union thugs who deserved what they got.

is that the way it works?

[Michael Tee]

Let me straighten you out on mercenaries.

A soldier kills for his country. 

A mercenary kills for money.

Most folks draw a distinction.

Got it?

[Plane]

"...  I would empower the more class-conscious working man and woman, ..."

There is that term again , what is the diffrence it makes?

[Michael Tee]

<<There is that term again [class-conscious], what is the diffrence it makes?>>

Well, BT was asking how I could support a Revolution if it would bring to power the low-hanging fruit that make up most of the U.S. military.

They belong mostly to the lumpenproletariat and the proletariat proper (the "working class") and yet it's obvious from my posts I don't hold them in particularly high regard.

I distinguished them from the "class-conscious" proletariat, who should come to power in a Communist Revolution.

Although both come from the same class or classes, the difference is that the "low-hanging fruit" are too fucking dumb to recognize class warfare and know what side of the line they belong on; the class-conscious proletarian, unlike his brothers in the military, knows there is a class war and has figured out correctly  which side to take in it.

[Plane]

<<There is that term again [class-conscious], what is the diffrence it makes?>>

Well, BT was asking how I could support a Revolution if it would bring to power the low-hanging fruit that make up most of the U.S. military.

They belong mostly to the lumpenproletariat and the proletariat proper (the "working class") and yet it's obvious from my posts I don't hold them in particularly high regard.

I distinguished them from the "class-conscious" proletariat, who should come to power in a Communist Revolution.

Although both come from the same class or classes, the difference is that the "low-hanging fruit" are too fucking dumb to recognize class warfare and know what side of the line they belong on; the class-conscious proletarian, unlike his brothers in the military, knows there is a class war and has figured out correctly  which side to take in it.

It doesn't matter that in the US most of us love the military and move in and out of it during our lives?

The "Class ""class-conscious" proletariat"  has to be a very small subset of our people , should this small number properly hate the most of us?

[sirs]

It doesn't matter that in the US most of us love the military and move in and out of it during our lives?  The "Class ""class-conscious" proletariat"  has to be a very small subset of our people , should this small number properly hate the most of us?

That's the idea plane.  The foundation to class warfare; making 1 class be angry at another class, simply because they're more successful, and that should make you angry, and resentful.  How dare they have so much more than me or you. 

You know, if a billionaire lives next to you, who cares??  If an unemployed fella is living on the other side, you should be asking why.  The class warfare crowd's objective is to make you mad at the billionaire, and how dare he not share his money, or give it to the unemployed person.  Here's what we'll do, we'll empower the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person.     

[Plane]

Here's what we'll do, we'll empower the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person.     

The first half of that proposal is a lot more dependable than the second.

[Michael Tee]

<<It doesn't matter that in the US most of us love the military and move in and out of it during our lives?>>

No, it matters.  A lot of really good people in the U.S. love the military.  That is true.  I meet lots of them in my travels.  They've been very effectively brainwashed to accept their government's definition of its motives and also of the "demonic" nature of their victims.  And I don't really think there's any practical way to reverse the effects of that brainwashing, especially since most of them are middle-aged or older and pretty set in their ways.  They're a huge problem.

<<The "Class ""class-conscious" proletariat"  has to be a very small subset of our people , should this small number properly hate the most of us?>>

No, there's a consciousness-raising function that they have to enter into.  This was the genius of Lenin and the Bolshevik organizers, many of them unnamed and unknown today, who convinced the masses of the reality of the class war and enlisted them in the struggle.  This was a kind of genius unknown in America today, but perhaps called into existence only by hard times, which as yet have not appeared.

[BT]

Let me straighten you out on mercenaries.

A soldier kills for his country. 

A mercenary kills for money.

Most folks draw a distinction.

Got it?

Last i heard soldiers are paid, so what is the distinction again?

[_JS]

It doesn't matter that in the US most of us love the military and move in and out of it during our lives?  The "Class ""class-conscious" proletariat"  has to be a very small subset of our people , should this small number properly hate the most of us?

That's the idea plane.  The foundation to class warfare; making 1 class be angry at another class, simply because they're more successful, and that should make you angry, and resentful.  How dare they have so much more than me or you. 

You know, if a billionaire lives next to you, who cares??  If an unemployed fella is living on the other side, you should be asking why.  The class warfare crowd's objective is to make you mad at the billionaire, and how dare he not share his money, or give it to the unemployed person.  Here's what we'll do, we'll empower the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person.     

That is not the "intent" of class-consciousness at all. As I've explained before there is no "hate" or "anger" or any other emotion involved. It is an historical movement, not an emotional or psychological movement, which seems to be some sort of hang-up within yours and Plane's conservatism.

Class-consciousness has nothing to do with empowering "the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person" and neither does class warfare.

Seriously, if both of you wish to make such statements will you at least read Marx, Lucaks, and Luxemburg just as starters to try and understand class consciousness and history. To understand Marxism you have to understand it in totality and neither of you understand it even in fragments. You simply place its terms into your prisms of "left versus right" and throw them around in your myopic, cliche worldview.

[sirs]

The foundation to class warfare; making 1 class be angry at another class, simply because they're more successful, and that should make you angry, and resentful.  How dare they have so much more than me or you. 

You know, if a billionaire lives next to you, who cares??  If an unemployed fella is living on the other side, you should be asking why.  The class warfare crowd's objective is to make you mad at the billionaire, and how dare he not share his money, or give it to the unemployed person.  Here's what we'll do, we'll empower the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person.     

That is not the "intent" of class-consciousness at all. As I've explained before there is no "hate" or "anger" or any other emotion involved.

Strange, though how that's the very inferrence and emotional response I get from those that push class warfare.  The name itself also tends to imply such anger as well.  So, whether it's the "intent" or not, the repercussive actions & rhetoric speak loud and clear

[_JS]

The foundation to class warfare; making 1 class be angry at another class, simply because they're more successful, and that should make you angry, and resentful.  How dare they have so much more than me or you. 

You know, if a billionaire lives next to you, who cares??  If an unemployed fella is living on the other side, you should be asking why.  The class warfare crowd's objective is to make you mad at the billionaire, and how dare he not share his money, or give it to the unemployed person.  Here's what we'll do, we'll empower the Government to legally take his money and give it to the unemployed person.     

That is not the "intent" of class-consciousness at all. As I've explained before there is no "hate" or "anger" or any other emotion involved.

Strange, though how that's the very inferrence and emotional response I get from those that push class warfare.  The name itself also tends to imply such anger as well.  So, whether it's the "intent" or not, the repercussive actions & rhetoric speak loud and clear

The only one I see who is emotional here, is you in your defense of the hypothetical billionaire.

I take your response as a "no." So you'll continue to speak about something you don't understand as opposed to actually reading, learning and speaking to the subject with intelligence?

[sirs]

Strange, though how that's the very inferrence and emotional response I get from those that push class warfare.  The name itself also tends to imply such anger as well.  So, whether it's the "intent" or not, the repercussive actions & rhetoric speak loud and clear

The only one I see who is emotional here, is you in your defense of the hypothetical billionaire.

I see....so referencing others why should they care if someone is a billionaire, or living next to them is..... emotional??  Ummmm....ooooookaaaaaay 

While those simmering about how unfair it is for the billionaire to have his billions, and how they don't, and that the billionaire isn't giving them any of it.....well, that of course is perfectly rational unemotional thought processing.

riiiiiiiiight 

1 more time Js, intention's are always perfect.  Whether the "intent" was pure as written by Marx, the ramifications have mutated to the classwarfare monster, we currently observe, and perpetuated on a daily basis from the hard core libs & socialists, in this country. 

[BT]

That is not the "intent" of class-consciousness at all.

Should a person be free to earn as much as they are able, with no artificial limitations, no onerous taxation that kicks in at a certain level because they cross an arbitrary threshold?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[sirs]

*sirs also to wait in anticipation*