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Kramer

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The Experience Debate
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:45:15 AM »
Another great reason Palin was selected is the debate between Obama's experience to be POTUS versus Pailin's experience to be VPOTUS.

Clearly the women has more experience than Obama.

Again, I say McCain is a genius to have made this VP choice.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 12:02:23 PM »
Don't tell the foaming at the mouth left, Kramer.  This pick supposedly fatally shot any chance he had to be President.  In fact now, if Obama loses it's because of an overtly out-of-control, racist electorate.  That, and that the GOP stole another one
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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 01:38:25 PM »
Clearly the women has more experience than Obama.

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In the same way that Chicago is more insignificant than Wasulla, and Alaska's population is more like that of the US than Illinois's is.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 01:49:35 PM »
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Palin matches Obama's legislative experience ( city council is more hands on legislatively that the Illinois Senate) and trumps his executive experience ( with her mayoral and gubernatorial experience).


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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 02:14:59 PM »
<<Palin matches Obama's legislative experience ( city council is more hands on legislatively that the Illinois Senate) and trumps his executive experience ( with her mayoral and gubernatorial experience).>>

That completely misses the point.  She is still highly inexperienced in foreign affairs and military matters.  There are many Republicans with much more experience in those fields who could have been picked instead of her.

How can anyone reconcile the main thrust of McCain's argument that Obama lacked the necessary experience with his choice of Palin as VP?  Either "experience" is an important qualification or it is not.  If it is as important as McCain indicated it was in his attacks on Obama, how is it overlooked in his choice of Palin?

There is  no way he can spin himself out of this one.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 02:23:17 PM »
The comparison was with Obama. She has more experience. Period.

Doesn't matter whether McCain could have picked someone else. He didn't and unless something happens between now and Thursday she is the one.

Just remember, Palin is the second seat . She has more experience than your first seat. And unless you are saying Biden will be calling the shots in an Obama administration i strongly suggest you drop the experience argument and concentrate on what a harlot Palin's daughter is. That seems to be the extent of your political debate skills.

Oh and McCain is old. And therefore must be senile.


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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 02:27:00 PM »
The comparison was with Obama. She has more experience. Period.

Just remember, Palin is the second seat . She has more experience than your first seat.  And unless you are saying Biden will be calling the shots in an Obama administration i strongly suggest you drop the experience argument and concentrate on what a harlot Palin's daughter is. That seems to be the extent of your political debate skills.

Oh and McCain is old. And therefore must be senile.


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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 02:33:26 PM »
Obama's campaign in and of itself gives him vastly more hands on experience than Palin's tour as mayor of BFE.




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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 02:34:09 PM »
OBAMA: “Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has I think 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years.” (CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees,” 9/1/08)

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 02:37:43 PM »
How does his budget compare to the state of Alaska's.
How does his employee count compare to the state of Alaska's.

I really thought Obama was smarter than to offer up this lame comparison.


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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 02:47:37 PM »
<<The comparison was with Obama. She has more experience. Period.>>

McCain's complaint about Obama was that he lacked an important qualification, experience.  The candidate McCain then picked to replace him at any point in his term if necessary may have had marginally more experience than Obama (although that is highly doubtful, considering all of Obama's experience) but in any event, for all practical purposes, was still unqualified.

It's as if the job required 100 hours of course credits and Obama was unqualified because he had only 20 hours.  Fair enough, but to then pick someone with 25 hours only (when there were other available candidates who could have been picked who had the qualifying 100 hours) indicates the initial objection to Obama was phony.   The lack of the 100 hours was meaningless, yet McCain had portrayed it as key.

Either lots of experience was a necessary qualification for the job in the first place or it was not.  Picking a candidate without lots of experience indicates that it was never a necessary qualification.  The fact that the candidate picked had marginally more experience than Obama still cannot negate the fact that McCain did pick someone without a  lot of experience and pronounced her as capable as he would be to fill the job if need be the day after he was sworn in.

<<Doesn't matter whether McCain could have picked someone else. He didn't and unless something happens between now and Thursday she is the one.>>

Of course it matters.  The fact is he passed over candidates with plenty of experience to pick one with virtually none.  Yet prior to his pick, his main beef with Obama was "lack of experience."  Obviously an insignificant shortcoming if he could pick Palin;

<<Just remember, Palin is the second seat . She has more experience than your first seat.>>

So what?  McCain says Obama is not qualified as first seat because he's inexperienced.  And in the same breath, says that Palin could step into his shoes the day or the week after his inauguration if need be.  She obviously CAN'T, if experience is as important as he makes it out to be when criticizing Obama.

<<And unless you are saying Biden will be calling the shots in an Obama administration i strongly suggest you drop the experience argument . . . >>

This isn't about Biden and it's not even about Obama.  It's about the hypocrisy of John Insane ranting about how Obama's "inexperience" disqualifies him for the Presidency and then picks Palin to succeed him on a second's notice at any time, despite an "experience" level equal to or marginally superior to Obama's.

<< . . .  and concentrate on what a harlot Palin's daughter is. >>

Nor is this about Palin's daughter.  It's about the arrogance and hypocrisy of the "Moral Majority" or "Family Values" crowd that courts fundamentalist votes with "pro-family" positions and yet turns out to be lying, cheating adulterous husbands and incompetent parents, major contributors to familial dysfunction and yet pandering to all those who want the law to enforce their own particular version of family values.

<<That seems to be the extent of your political debate skills.>>

And what's the extent of yours?  Raising irrelevant issues, continually missing the point, and misrepresenting the arguments of your opponents?

<<Oh and McCain is old. And therefore must be senile.>>

And speaking of missing the point AND misrepresenting opponents' arguments . . .

senile he may well be, but in this and other Palin-related threads, it's more like "McCain is old and a three-time cancer survivor with a huge growth on the side of his head who might have to be replaced by Palin at any time in his term."  THAT was the argument I had been making, not the one you were kind enough to fabricate for me.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 03:17:39 PM »
Clearly the women has more experience than Obama.

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In the same way that Chicago is more insignificant than Wasulla, and Alaska's population is more like that of the US than Illinois's is.



It's all out there so if you want to fool yourself then go ahead but all you have to do is compare his to hers. OX you might want to be honest for a change. Living life in fantasy isn't healthy...

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 03:20:05 PM »
<<Palin matches Obama's legislative experience ( city council is more hands on legislatively that the Illinois Senate) and trumps his executive experience ( with her mayoral and gubernatorial experience).>>

That completely misses the point.  She is still highly inexperienced in foreign affairs and military matters.  There are many Republicans with much more experience in those fields who could have been picked instead of her.

How can anyone reconcile the main thrust of McCain's argument that Obama lacked the necessary experience with his choice of Palin as VP?  Either "experience" is an important qualification or it is not.  If it is as important as McCain indicated it was in his attacks on Obama, how is it overlooked in his choice of Palin?

There is  no way he can spin himself out of this one.


Two nations border Alaska - Foreign Experience trumps Obama
Palin in charge of Alaska National Guard - Military Experience trumps Obama

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 03:35:54 PM »
Clearly the women has more experience than Obama.

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In the same way that Chicago is more insignificant than Wasulla, and Alaska's population is more like that of the US than Illinois's is.



Since McCain and Biden have similar experience I guess the 6.2 million Arizona population over Delaware 850,000 means that McCain really has 8 times the experience of Biden...

Yeah that really makes sense unless you are a far left nutjob, then I guess it makes sense. POPULATION DOESN'T MEASURE EXPERIENCE BOZO!

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 04:27:57 PM »
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McCain is old and a three-time cancer survivor with a huge growth on the side of his head who might have to be replaced by Palin at any time in his term

Actually McCain has had 4 occurrences of melanoma. His 10 year survival rate is in the high 90's.

his doctors have declared him fit to serve even considering his age.

The puffy left cheek is the result of his first surgery. It is not a tumor or malignancy.