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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 04:31:38 PM »
BTW every elected president since Kennedy has come from the executive ranks. Including Nixon and LBJ. Palin is ready to step in having served as governor for two years. It is sad that to puff his resume Obama needs to count the executive experience of running his campaign. Like Palin outsourced her campaigns.

Pulease!!

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 04:40:04 PM »
It is sad that to puff his resume Obama needs to count the executive experience of running his campaign. Like Palin outsourced her campaigns.  Pulease!!

It is pretty pathetic
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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 04:47:53 PM »
<<It is sad that to puff his resume Obama needs to count the executive experience of running his campaign. Like Palin outsourced her campaigns.>>

Uh, maybe I'm confused here.  Are we actually comparing Palin's campaign with Obama's?  Somebody needs to be reminded that Obama's campaign took an obscure junior Senator up against the former VP candidate of his party, the wife of his party's former two-term President, each of whom with easily ten times his initial name recognition, and huge initial fund-raising capabilities and whipped both their asses handily.  Raised huge, unprecedented  amounts of money and volunteers in numbers few people thought possible.

Is THIS the campaign you seriously wish to compare to Palin's?

Most people find Obama's campaign masterful and extremely impressive.  Equally, most people don't even know about Palin's campaign simply because it is so relatively insignificant and trivial.  But that's probably because most people live in the real world.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 04:58:51 PM »
real world.

Palin won the gubernatoral primary and the general election.

And Obama's claim to fame is winning the primary.

He comes in second again.


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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 05:04:08 PM »
In aviation it is usually considered a promotion to move from copilot to pilot , a pilot has often been a copilot for a while to build up his flight hours .

In orchestras the first violin is generally ranked ahead of the second violin in skill , in ranching the top hand is usually a guy that was just a ranch hand for a while until his skill and strength were proven.

In flocks of birds there may be a leader , it will be the bird that has flown the route before.

In the Case of McCain a highly experienced leader , who has led in several fields , has chosen an understudy with less experience than himself but more experience than some Presidents of the past have had. I see little to apologise for.

Barak Obama on the other hand , is running on the strength of his change agenda and his low experience level seems a natural consequence of his being uncorrupted by the Washington mode of behavior .At this point , he isn't seasoned because he isn't spoiled. Change is Obama's game , so it isn't bad that he comes with such little experienced in compromise and corruption.

But it is hard to match this with the choice of Veep ,Biden is a Wonk among wonks , his experience in Washington qualifies him better than anyone to deal with it in the way it works right now , he one of the authors of its present condition.

Did Barak Obama choose someone who could replace him in a tragic circumstance , and bring his change agenda to fruition , or someone who could serve as his guide in the unfamiliar halls of power?

Seems as if the danger here is that Biden will serve as the puppetmaster as much as a guide and kabosh attempts at change whether he ever takes the reigns himself or not.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 05:09:00 PM »
<<It is sad that to puff his resume Obama needs to count the executive experience of running his campaign. Like Palin outsourced her campaigns.>>

Uh, maybe I'm confused here.  Are we actually comparing Palin's campaign with Obama's?  Somebody needs to be reminded that Obama's campaign took an obscure junior Senator up against the former VP candidate of his party, the wife of his party's former two-term President, each of whom with easily ten times his initial name recognition, and huge initial fund-raising capabilities and whipped both their asses handily.  Raised huge, unprecedented  amounts of money and volunteers in numbers few people thought possible.

Is THIS the campaign you seriously wish to compare to Palin's?

Most people find Obama's campaign masterful and extremely impressive.  Equally, most people don't even know about Palin's campaign simply because it is so relatively insignificant and trivial.  But that's probably because most people live in the real world.

Yes lets do compare them .

Pallin took on the entrenched power in her own party  and squelched the corruption that motivated so many Alaskans to fall in behind her.

Obama slid right into the cogs of the Chicago machine as a cog himself , he rose through the ranks of the machine faster than anyone elese ever has by skilfull manipulation of the machine .

I think that both have proven themselves very intelligent , and very good organisers , but in very diffrent ways in very diffrent environments.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 05:42:56 PM »
Yes lets do compare them.  Pallin took on the entrenched power in her own party and squelched the corruption that motivated so many Alaskans to fall in behind her.

Obama slid right into the cogs of the Chicago machine as a cog himself , he rose through the ranks of the machine faster than anyone elese ever has by skilfull manipulation of the machine .

I think that both have proven themselves very intelligent , and very good organisers , but in very diffrent ways in very diffrent environments.


Excellent observation, Plane
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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 06:19:18 PM »
<<Pallin took on the entrenched power in her own party  and squelched the corruption that motivated so many Alaskans to fall in behind her.>>

ROTFLMFAO.  "Squelched the Corruption," my ass.  Exactly what Palin did was to file complaints about two fellow Republicans, one of whom had served on the Alaskan Gas and Oil Conservation Commission with her.  One guy was fined $12,000 and the other guy resigned his position as state Republican Party chairman.

A still-ongoing Federal investigation into corruption of Alaskan legislators (almost all Republican) is an FBI-DOJ matter and Palin has nothing to do with any of it.  She did hold a joint news conference with indicted U.S. Senator Ted Stevens shortly before his indictment to show her solidarity with him.

I guess it remains to be seen if the corruption hinted at in her Troopergate scandal balances out the corruption she stopped by blowing the whistle on her fellow Oil & Gas Commission member and the ex-State Republican Party Chairman.

Oh, and from Wikipedia, here's the real deal on the "Bridge to Nowhere" grandstanding that supposedly brought our heroine to the attention of John McCain:

<<In 2006, Ketchikan's Gravina Island Bridge, known outside the state as the "Bridge to Nowhere", became an issue in the gubernatorial campaign. Palin initially expressed support for the bridge and ran on a "build-the-bridge" platform[76][77] but later decided to use the bridge funds for other projects[76] because of rising cost estimates.[78] Despite the bridge currently being on hold, the Palin administration allocated tens of millions of dollars of federal funds to begin construction of the Gravina island road meant to link to the bridge.[78]>>

Wikpedia goes on to note that although Palin stopped work on the bridge, she gave back none of the Federal money paid out to the state for it.

Of course, in Republican brains, all of these histrionics amount to "squelching the corruption" in Alaska.  Oh.  My.  God.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 06:29:09 PM »
I don't think that the matter of experience is even half as important as such matters as preventing the appointment of another ghastly goon like Scalia or Alito to the Supreme Court, keeping troops in Iraq forever, not solving the healthcare or energy problems. or seeing that the immense corruption of the Juniorbush years goes totally unpunished.

There will be a Democratic Congress. A GOP president will simply prevent anything useful from being done. It is time for big changes and none of them is favored by the inept, bungling and corrupt GOP.
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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 06:38:11 PM »
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McCain is old and a three-time cancer survivor with a huge growth on the side of his head who might have to be replaced by Palin at any time in his term

Actually McCain has had 4 occurrences of melanoma. His 10 year survival rate is in the high 90's.

his doctors have declared him fit to serve even considering his age.

The puffy left cheek is the result of his first surgery. It is not a tumor or malignancy.



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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2008, 07:14:16 PM »

There will be a Democratic Congress. A GOP president will simply prevent anything useful from being done.



Excellent point.


Lets make sure everyone thinks on it.

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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2008, 07:22:32 PM »
Works for me.  The less Congress does, the better usually
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Re: The Experience Debate
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 07:25:55 PM »
Works for me.  The less Congress does, the better usually

Usually but in the case of drilling for oil Congress has to get involved.