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What Should Be A Shoo-in is Anything But...
« on: October 04, 2008, 10:17:24 PM »
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http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&story_id=12321683

The battle of hope and experience
Oct 2nd 2008
From The Economist print edition

Will America choose the old hero who favours tax cuts for business and the rich and backed George Bush’s wars? Or the young man who promises health care for all, a swift exit from Iraq and more money for the average worker? As America’s financial system buckles, this ought to be an unlosable election for the Democrats. But it isn’t


IT HAS been a time of miracles and wonders. Hillary Clinton, the “inevitable” Democratic nominee, was beaten by a man who was barely out of law school when she was trying to reform the nation’s health-care system; and that man, Barack Obama, has become the darling of the world. John McCain, a senator whose campaign was given up for dead last year, improbably surged past all his rivals to seize the Republican nomination. Voters in November will pick either a black president or a female vice-president, breaking new ground either way. And most surprising of all, at a time when the Democrats surely cannot lose, they still just might.

Only once in the past half-century has a party been awarded three consecutive terms in the White House. That was in 1988, after Ronald Reagan’s two terms, when the economy was strong and the president was still popular. Neither remotely holds true now. The economy may not quite be in recession, but it certainly feels that way. House prices are tumbling, petrol and grocery prices are painfully high and wages have stagnated for years. The September meltdown of much of Wall Street has put an unexpected focus on the candidates’ grasp of the complex world of high finance. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan drag on. By rights, Mr McCain should be shuffling towards certain defeat. Yet the polls are still very close. The main reason is that the Democrats have picked as their standard-bearer Mr Obama, a man of great gifts but significant weaknesses.

Mr Obama writes brilliant speeches and delivers them beautifully. He attracts huge crowds, stirs their passions and moves them to tears. Yet he is no crude demagogue. He approaches policy questions with an admirable mix of intellect and pragmatism. His advisers marvel at his capacity to weigh complex arguments and pick solutions that seem both sensible and politically feasible.

He promises much. He would withdraw American troops from Iraq as fast as is practicable. He would increase the size of the army and send more troops to Afghanistan. He would close the prison at Guantánamo Bay. Domestically, he would offer Americans near-universal health care. He would raise taxes on the rich and on businesses, trim them for the great bulk of the middle class and offer numerous handouts. He would set up a cap-and-trade system for curbing carbon emissions and lavish cash on alternative energy.

To many of his fans, Mr Obama’s allure owes even more to his persona than to his policies. He is an athletic 47. Half-black, half-white and raised by a single mother, his rise from modest roots embodies the American dream. Not only does he preach racial reconciliation; his election would help achieve it. And a generation of black children would grow up with an ideal role model: a black president with a loving, intact family.

Mr Obama’s election would also help mend America’s shredded relations with the rest of the world, though probably less than his foreign fans imagine. Unlike George Bush, he soothingly espouses international co-operation. His nuanced manner reassures Europeans. His surname is African, his middle name is Arabic, he has Muslim forebears, he grew up partly in Asia and his skin colour is close to the global average. A recent poll of 22 countries by the BBC found that people in all 22 of them preferred Mr Obama to Mr McCain.

But only Americans can vote in American elections, and many have doubts about Mr Obama. He has the thinnest résumé of any nominee in living memory. Eight years ago, when he ran for a seat in the House of Representatives, his opponent, a former Black Panther, dismissed him by asking: “Just what’s he done?” Mr Obama was then a lowly state senator, and had also worked as a lawyer and a community organiser. Voters deemed this to be insufficient preparation for Congress. Mr Obama lost by 31 percentage points.

In 2004 he was elected to the United States Senate. But many Americans hesitate to hire as the country’s leader someone with no executive experience besides running the Harvard Law Review and a series of election campaigns. Others worry that he is not as nice or principled as he seems. He won that state Senate seat by having all his rivals thrown off the ballot. He cosied up to Chicago’s machine politicians. His pastor for two decades preaches “God damn America”. For all Mr Obama’s rhetoric about reaching across the partisan divide, he has never stood up to his party to accomplish anything substantial. For all his talk about uniting his country, he has become an unexpectedly divisive figure.

McCain, again
The alternative is Mr McCain. Though quick-witted on the stump, Mr McCain seems less intelligent and less eloquent than Mr Obama. His age is against him: he would be the oldest first-term president ever inaugurated, and he has had recurrent bouts of cancer. He has a volcanic temper that he struggles to control. Many people fear that he is a warmonger at worst, at best a prickly individual with neoconservative tendencies who will do little to mend fences with the world. His grasp of the details of economics and finance is shaky, to say the least.

But Mr McCain is also a brave politician, who has often tried to do the difficult not the expedient thing. He would stay the course in Iraq, arguing that a hasty withdrawal would spark chaos. He would stand up to Russia and Iran. Like his rival, he would close Guantánamo.

On the economic front, whereas Mr Obama flirts with protectionism, Mr McCain is a staunch free-trader. He endorses low taxes, though the rich get most of the breaks. In general he favours light regulation, but he now agrees with Mr Obama that Wall Street needs firmer oversight. Also like Mr Obama, he proposes a cap-and-trade system for greenhouse gases, but he would give away the permits, not auction them. His health-care plans emphasise using competition to curb costs rather than expanding coverage.

Mr McCain’s domestic platform may be beside the point, however, since Congress will be Democratic and unlikely to pass his proposals without rewriting them. On the other hand, for many moderate voters, the best argument for Mr McCain is that a Republican president and a Democratic Congress would check and balance each other. In the past, divided government has led to greater fiscal prudence, since presidents are more likely to veto the other party’s wasteful spending. Getting both parties to share the pain is also the only realistic way to tackle tough long-term problems, like the looming bankruptcy of Social Security (public pensions) and Medicare (public health care for the elderly).

If voters made up their minds according to each party’s stated policies, Mr Obama would probably be a shoo-in. But they do not. The president is both chief executive and symbolic head of state. Voters want someone who has the extraordinary talents necessary to do the job, yet who also seems ordinary and likeable. Cultural cues matter hugely. So does evidence of sound judgment and strength of character.

Mr Obama wins top marks for raw talent. He can also claim sound judgment: though no pacifist, he opposed the Iraq war from the start. Mr McCain retorts that he backed the “surge” before it was popular, when Mr Obama tried to block it.

The two men’s life stories appeal to different groups. Mr McCain is a war hero who endured years of torture in Vietnam. He has often defied his own party in pursuit of centrist policies, such as banning torture, welcoming immigrants and tackling climate change. Mr Obama is more of an enigma. His voting record is one of the most liberal in the Senate, but in his books, he tends to present two sides of each policy argument without reaching many firm conclusions. During the campaign he has tacked to the centre. Even professional observers are now thoroughly unsure what he stands for.

There is still a month to go and the economy is, to put it mildly, volatileMr Obama has addressed some of his weaknesses by picking Joe Biden as his running-mate. Mr Biden has been a senator for 36 years and knows a lot about foreign policy. His working-class roots appeal to some who find Mr Obama detached from their problems. But he has had less effect on the race than Mr McCain’s risky—and, some say, deeply cynical—choice of Sarah Palin, the governor of Alaska.

Unlike Mr McCain, Mrs Palin knows little about national or international politics. But as a working mother of five who grew up shooting moose for the freezer, she appeals to small-town voters who feel condescended to by Democrats. And as a born-again Christian and passionate pro-lifer, she thrills social conservatives who have never warmed to Mr McCain. But she appals a lot of independent voters, who dislike her conservative views and worry about her evident inexperience, should she ever have to step into the 72-year-old Mr McCain’s shoes. The “Palin effect” was huge at first, but it quickly started to fade.

Meanwhile, no one knows how race will affect the election. Many people, black and white, will back Mr Obama because he is black. Many will oppose him for the same reason, though few will admit as much. There is still a month to go, the presidential and vice-presidential debates still need to sink in, and the economy is, to put it mildly, volatile. After a campaign that has already lasted more than two years, it seems impossible to predict who will win. But no one can complain that Americans are not getting a clear choice.


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Re: What Should Be A Shoo-in is Anything But...
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 12:26:20 AM »
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http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&story_id=12321683

"Mr Obama is more of an enigma. "

"  Even professional observers are now thoroughly unsure what he stands for."

"But no one can complain that Americans are not getting a clear choice."



Clear ?

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 01:54:21 PM »
Obama is not an enigma. I suppose people wanting him to be less an enigma to them want to see him fly off the handle, get all choked up, or in some other way be less than a matter-of-fact sort of guy.

McCain has to keep REMINDING us that he is a "Maverick", and not a regular Republican. They rejected him in 2000, never let him gert off the ground in 2004, but by golly, they are behind him now. [Watch your back, Johnnie-boy.]

This is a clear summary of the election as of the date it was written. Few magazines are better at this sort of thing than the Economist.
It is , as a German guy who made a bundle in Shanghai, that I met in Paraguay told me, "Der Spiegel for English speakers". It is certainly better than Newsweek, Time and US News, as it generally separates fiction from fact.


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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 03:12:45 PM »
>>McCain has to keep REMINDING us that he is a "Maverick", and not a regular Republican. They rejected him in 2000, never let him gert off the ground in 2004, but by golly, they are behind him now. [Watch your back, Johnnie-boy.]<<

Liberals have nominated an unknown for president. They know next to nothing about him. Everything they know they know because Conservatives have pointed it out. He associates with a known terrorist. He took part in the looting of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He believes in a heretical racist, anti-American form of Christianity. Normally leftist would attack such a perverted form of Christianity, comparing it to David Keresh or Jim Jones, but he’s a democrat (and Black) so it doesn’t matter. 

They don’t seem to care to know anything about this man-child they’ve nominated. Obama has even “written” two books. I guarantee 98 percent of democrats haven’t read either. What a surprise it’s going to be if he wins. Well, not to us. The people interested enough to find out about this empty suit the Clintonistas have put forward to represent them. It’s the same ole song and dance. Free health care … tax the rich … peace at any cost … it’s never your fault … lies … lies … lies …

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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 07:27:26 PM »
Anything that comes from Obama is simply a minor fib compared with the crap that the GOP dishes out about mavericks, healthcare and job creation.

Lying a nation into a war that has cost almost 4000 American lives dwarfs anything that Obama has done or will ever do.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 02:51:48 AM »
Obama was hardly my first choice; I've made that quite clear. If I voted in a swing state, he'd be my choice.

The article gave a good summation, as Xavier pointed, of the current confusing state of the race. I am in consistent shock that McCain isn't much further behind  >:(

Of course, on the plus side, Intrade has Obama leading heavily. YES! I'll be checking that site daily.

As for Obama's "lies", connections, etc: some may be troubling, but how can they be any more troubling than the religious right teaming up with those whose aim is, and has been since Regean Republicans took power, to police our thoughts, opinions, morals, civil liberties? They'd gladly turn the clock back on everything.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 03:00:03 AM »
They'd gladly turn the clock back on everything.

Quote from: Murray Rothbard
When I was growing up, I found that the main argument against laissez-faire, and for socialism, was that socialism and communism were inevitable: "You can't turn back the clock!" they chanted, "you can't turn back the clock." But the clock of the once-mighty Soviet Union, the clock of Marxism-Leninism, a creed that once mastered half the world, is not only turned back, but lies dead and broken forever. But we must not rest content with this victory. For though Marxism-Bolshevism is gone forever, there still remains, plaguing us everywhere, its evil cousin: call it "soft Marxism," "Marxism-Humanism," "Marxism-Bernsteinism," "Marxism-Trotskyism," "Marxism-Freudianism," well, let's just call it "Menshevism," or "social democracy."

Social democracy is still here in all its variants, defining our entire respectable political spectrum, from advanced victimology and feminism on the left over to neoconservatism on the right. We are now trapped, in America, inside a Menshevik fantasy, with the narrow bounds of respectable debate set for us by various brands of Marxists. It is now our task, the task of the resurgent right, of the paleo movement, to break those bonds, to finish the job, to finish off Marxism forever.

 One of the authors of the Daniel Bell volume says, in horror and astonishment, that the radical right intends to repeal the twentieth century. Heaven forfend! Who would want to repeal the twentieth century, the century of horror, the century of collectivism, the century of mass destruction and genocide, who would want to repeal that! Well, we propose to do just that.

With the inspiration of the death of the Soviet Union before us, we now know that it can be done. We shall break the clock of social democracy. We shall break the clock of the Great Society. We shall break the clock of the welfare state. We shall break the clock of the New Deal. We shall break the clock of Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom and perpetual war. We shall repeal the twentieth century.

One of the most inspiring and wonderful sights of our time was to see the peoples of the Soviet Union rising up, last year, to tear down in their fury the statues of Lenin, to obliterate the Leninist legacy. We, too, shall tear down all the statues of Franklin D. Roosevelt, of Harry Truman, of Woodrow Wilson, melt them down and beat them into plowshares and pruninghooks, and usher in a twenty-first century of peace, freedom and prosperity.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 06:56:15 AM »
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McCain has to keep REMINDING us that he is a "Maverick", and not a regular Republican.

The reason for that is because of the continual Obama/Biden "a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush" mantra.  Invoking the past administration at every opportunity is one of their strategies...and I very much liked how Sarah Palin didn't let Biden get away with it during the debate:

 "No, in fact, when we talk about the Bush administration, there's a time, too, when Americans are going to say, "Enough is enough with your ticket," on constantly looking backwards, and pointing fingers, and doing the blame game.

There have been huge blunders in the war. There have been huge blunders throughout this administration, as there are with every administration.

But for a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that that's where you're going."


and

"Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced your whole comment with the Bush administration."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/

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Re: What Should Be A Shoo-in is Anything But...
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 08:27:38 AM »
Of course, on the plus side, Intrade has Obama leading heavily. YES! I'll be checking that site daily.

Ignore all viewpoints but your own?
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 09:22:58 AM »
Of course, on the plus side, Intrade has Obama leading heavily. YES! I'll be checking that site daily.

Ignore all viewpoints but your own?

Intrade, as I posted prveiously, correctly predicted the entirety of the '04 elections. Keeping dibs on it every once in awhile is something I always do. Seeing the fluctuations, particularly in corresponding them to MSM America news, is interesting.

As for my viewpoint: its damn well solidified. Don't think any publication is going to change it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 09:33:11 AM »
As for my viewpoint: its damn well solidified. Don't think any publication is going to change it.

Listening to the viewpoints of others does not require a change in your own viewpoint.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2008, 11:34:10 PM by Amianthus »
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 09:58:02 AM »
<<On the other hand, for many moderate voters, the best argument for Mr McCain is that a Republican president and a Democratic Congress would check and balance each other. >>

Might work for some domestic policies that affect a large percentage of the population such as the current economic crisis, but it won't work in foreign policy and it won't work on issues that affect only minorities of the electorate, such as the poor, racial minorities or religious or political minorities such as Muslims or pro-Palestinians.  The Republican side would stonewall and the country as a whole, the voting part of it anyway, wouldn't give a shit.  The Republicans are basically the party of the rich, so on most domestic issues that don't affect the rich, they just don't give a shit, and unless there's a huge majority of irate citizens who DO give a shit (usually on pocketbook issues that directly affect them) the Republicans won't even bother to fake giving a shit.

What does it mean that Obama is "unknown?"  The guy is all too well known.  His voting record, reportedly the most liberal in the Senate, is public knowledge.  He wrote two books, as far as I know, sold to the public and not reserved for private distribution to select in-groups of Muslims and terrorists.   Numerous articles, more than I care to read, have been written all about him.  Take a true unknown like myself and all the rest of us here, with zero name recognition anywhere outside a hundred-mile radius of our homes, on a scale of unknown-ness ranging from 1 to 100, we're 100 and Obama is maybe a 2.

Taken by itself, the claim would be meaningless and absurd.  Unfortunately, the Republican brains behind the McCain campaign do not mean for it to be taken in isolation.  It's part of a theme whose other parts are "His middle name is Hussein and don't you forget it!", "He went to a madrassa."He associates with terrorists."  Combined with those allegations and others like them, "Obama is an unknown" is actually the closest the McCain campaign can officially come to real lies and slanderous mud-slinging:  "He's a Muslim."  "He's a terrorist!"  "He wants to destroy Israel."  "He's not one of us, he's one of them."  That is the real message behind all statements that Obama is an unknown, and it's a measure of the emptiness, the true absence of anything meaningful or positive to offer the American people, the resort to racial and religious slurs, the fear-mongering ("He's a terrorist!") all proof positive that the Republicans are desperate and have nothing but hate and fear to offer to the electorate.

Actually in truth, it is McCain who is the unknown in this equation.  Did anyone predict his wacko, erratic panic in the wake of the economic collapse?  "I'm suspending the campaign, I'm not gonna debate, I am gonna debate, the fundamentals of the economy are strong, We're in the worst crisis since WWII, fire the chairman of the SEC, ooops, can't fire him, fire somebody else . . . undsoweiter.  Who knows what this 72-year-old has-been and three-time cancer survivor is really capable of?  War in Georgia?  War in Venezuela or Cuba?  War in Korea/Iran/Palestine/Lebanon?  You are afraid of the unknown?  OY, have I got an unknown for you!  And that's not even to mention his ditzy, rigidly debate-programmed Conservative Barbie running mate.  Consider her as your military's C-in-C during a crisis - - -  "Waaaal, I'll, uh . . . I'll git right back too-ya!!"
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 10:10:04 AM »
This "nobody knows Obama" bit is basically a way the Republicans have of saying "no one knows what that n****r might do. What if he is intolerant of Whites as the undecided White voter has been to Blacks? Does he tell honkie jokes behind your back? Will he walk around the White House with his pants around his knees? What if he grows deadlocks and says Whassssssssup?

We do know this: Obama wrote his own books, but McCain's "Faith of my Fathers", well, that was ghostwritten.
Like Juniorbush, McCain might owe his entry to West Point and his wings to his father and grandfather. He wasn't that good a pilot, not everyine got shot down over North Vietnam. It's not like they had an airforce.

McCain still thinks Vietnam was worth fighting. It clearly was not. Man never saw a war he didn't like.
Every Republican elected since Reagan has got us into a war. It's what they do. And they aren't good at it, either.



Did Palin ever get back to Katie Couric?

Inquiring minds want to know...
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 10:20:17 AM »
<<What if he grows deadlocks and says Whassssssssup?>>

I was wondering about "Whassssssssup?"

Just recently I heard "What up?" - - of course, this is Toronto, most blacks here from Jamaica.  Maybe it was always "What up?" in Jamaica or maybe there's been a shift in the States to "What up?"    Or maybe the guy I heard was just atypical.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 11:47:28 AM »
Jamaicans do tend to say "What up?"
American Blacks say "Whasssssup?" I suspect because of Martin Lawrence used the expression so much.

What is known as Black English, or 'Ebonics" is not really anything standardized: it varies all over the place.

Years ago, some clever person with a degree in linguistics decided that the way to teach Standard English to Black children was to teach them Standard English as a foreign language, using Black English as the vehicle. They could compare the two languages and say that the future tense in Standard English is I will go, but in Black English it's I fitta go, or I gonna go.

Which brought them to the problem: there is not one Black English: there are many Black Englishes. People in FL speak differently from people in GA, AL, LA, MS TX and so forth, and there is no standard. Only one conference was enough to end this suggestion.

It still could be done, of course, since most Black kids understand standard English: they just don't speak it. And now there is a sort of standardized Black English that is used on TV shows.

Educated Black people are pretty much all bilingual: they can speak both (or several) dialects, and usually do.
 
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