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MissusDe

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Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« on: October 12, 2008, 04:23:04 AM »
By Charles Krauthammer

Convicted felon Tony Rezko. Unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. And the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It is hard to think of any presidential candidate before Barack Obama sporting associations with three more execrable characters. Yet let the McCain campaign raise the issue, and the mainstream media begin fulminating about dirty campaigning tinged with racism and McCarthyite guilt by association.

But associations are important. They provide a significant insight into character. They are particularly relevant in relation to a potential president as new, unknown, opaque and self-contained as Obama. With the economy overshadowing everything, it may be too late politically to be raising this issue. But that does not make it, as conventional wisdom holds, in any way illegitimate.

McCain has only himself to blame for the bad timing. He should months ago have begun challenging Obama's associations, before the economic meltdown allowed the Obama campaign (and the mainstream media, which is to say the same thing) to dismiss the charges as an act of desperation by the trailing candidate.

McCain had his chance back in April when the North Carolina Republican Party ran a gubernatorial campaign ad that included the linking of Obama with Jeremiah Wright. The ad was duly denounced by the New York Times and other deep thinkers as racist.

This was patently absurd. Racism is treating people differently and invidiously on the basis of race. Had any white presidential candidate had a close 20-year association with a white preacher overtly spreading race hatred from the pulpit, that candidate would have been not just universally denounced and deemed unfit for office but written out of polite society entirely.

Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama's associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once.

Obama's political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber -- even a repentant one -- he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk. And Ayers shows no remorse. His only regret is that he "didn't do enough."

Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright's angry racism or Ayers's unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?

No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us two important things about Obama.

First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with -- let alone serve on two boards with -- an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?

Most Americans would not, on the grounds of sheer indecency. Yet Obama did, if not out of conviction then out of expediency. He was a young man on the make, an unknown outsider working his way into Chicago politics. He played the game with everyone, without qualms and with obvious success.

Obama is not the first politician to rise through a corrupt political machine. But he is one of the rare few to then have the audacity to present himself as a transcendent healer, hovering above and bringing redemption to the "old politics" -- of the kind he had enthusiastically embraced in Chicago in the service of his own ambition.

Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share the Rev. Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers's views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.

Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed unremarkable, part of social discourse.

Do you? Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/09/AR2008100902328.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2008, 08:06:06 AM »
Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share the Rev. Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers's views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.
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This is not even minimally disturbing. As president, he will need to deal with LOTS of people that are "beyond the pale" of people like the author of this thing. A refusal to deal with people gets no one anywhere. Observe how totally unsuccessful Bush was with North Korea. If you  refuse to talk, then the option is war, with soldiers coming home in body bags and maimed, crippled, driven mad.

As for whether he "swam easily and without protest" is something the writer cannot know.

Wright was a preacher who probably did not speak about race in every sermon, and Ayers was a professor at a local university. So what? No one is perfect. You start with the situation as it is "fetid pond" or not and go on from there. You do not refuse the lemons because they are sour, you make lemonade.

Uninteresting, typical anti-Obama crap. Unworthy of th Washington Post.
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Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2008, 12:02:02 PM »
>>McCain has only himself to blame for the bad timing. He should months ago have begun challenging Obama's associations, before the economic meltdown allowed the Obama campaign (and the mainstream media, which is to say the same thing) to dismiss the charges as an act of desperation by the trailing candidate.<<

Exactly. When you're battle the drive-by media, Hollywierd, and stupidity, you shouldn't wait until the last minute to point out the facts about who a candidate pals around with. It matters. Had McCain been friendly with TimMcVeigh it would have been the end of his career, not just his bid for the presidency. Look at how the media plays up the religion of Governor Mitt Romney. Obama get's a virtual pass on the racist church he has belond to for 20 years.

Maybe it's not to late. Some of McCain's TV ads are making a poerful case against Obama here in Florida.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2008, 02:53:33 PM »
Surely you jest. McCain's ads are sucky.

Obama's ads about how McCain wants to give you $5000 for insurance, send it to a company, and then stick you for taxes that must be paid out of your present salary, seem quite persuasive.

McCain's ads keep harping on how no one knows Obama. This is a backhanded way of saying "You don't know what to expect from "those people". What if Obama is  as nasty a racist as you have been?"  He's gotta get out the racist vote, or he loses.

It was nice of him to tell that hopelessly ignorant woman that Obama was not an Arab, though. He's a decent family man whom I respect, (even though my campaign put that burr up Palin's butt about how he pals around with terrorists.)




 
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2008, 03:35:54 PM »
>>Surely you jest. McCain's ads are sucky. [...]

Creative? Insightful?

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Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2008, 03:44:37 PM »
Obama's ads about how McCain wants to give you $5000 for insurance, send it to a company, and then stick you for taxes that must be paid out of your present salary, seem quite persuasive.

Persuasive, even if inaccurate.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2008, 04:21:57 PM »
It's only partly inaccurate. McCain's healthcare plane is rather ill-defined. The debates have done little to inform the public about specifics, and the ads they are running are less than useful for both sides.

McCain COULD spend some time running an explanation, but he prefers apparently to spend it on Palin going on and on about Ayers, who will simply continue teaching education courses no matter who is elected.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2008, 05:14:22 PM »
>>McCain COULD spend some time running an explanation, but he prefers apparently to spend it on Palin going on and on about Ayers, who will simply continue teaching education courses no matter who is elected.<<

Hopefully now that more people know who he is, and what he is, he'll be removed. we certainly don't need a communist/terrorist anywhere near our children.

Bad teachers end up alone in there basements spewing hate on the internet. That's were Ayers belongs.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2008, 05:54:54 PM »
Hopefully now that more people know who he is, and what he is, he'll be removed. we certainly don't need a communist/terrorist anywhere near our children.

Ayers teaches in the education department of a branch of the University of Illinois. He doesn't teach children, and he was an anarchist, not a communist, and he almost certainly has tenure. You will have to wait for him to retire. Tough.

He was protesting the war in Vietnam, by the way, which was a major stupid mistake that could and should have been avoided.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2008, 05:57:51 PM »
>>McCain COULD spend some time running an explanation, but he prefers apparently to spend it on Palin going on and on about Ayers, who will simply continue teaching education courses no matter who is elected.<<

Hopefully now that more people know who he is, and what he is, he'll be removed. we certainly don't need a communist/terrorist anywhere near our children.

Bad teachers end up alone in there basements spewing hate on the internet. That's were Ayers belongs.

You sound like the voice of experience. You must have been a bad teacher.

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Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2008, 06:05:02 PM »
Excellent Op-ed Miss De.  Thanks for sharing
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2008, 06:29:09 PM »
>>Excellent Op-ed Miss De.  Thanks for sharing<<

Agreed. I'd love to see you post more. At least then we'd have one more person we can have a civil conversation with.

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Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2008, 08:09:45 PM »
Even Krauthammer, the author of the piece (and another Zionist flack, doing the Israel Lobby's dirty work for it) acknowledges at the beginning of the piece that the entire Ayers-Wright-Rezko thing is pure guilt by association.  He then goes on to argue that "associations are important."  In other words, this Israeli flack is attempting to barefacedly LEGITIMIZE guilt-by-association, one of the sleaziest tactics in politics today, and the only one left for the rapidly-sinking crypto-fascist McCain-Palin campaign to pin its hopes on.

Now of course guilt-by-association is a two-edged sword.  If it works on Obama, it works on McCain; the Nazi collaborators of the World Anti-Communist League, the convicted felon Charles Keating, the disgraced President George W. Bush, the convicted felon G. Gordon Liddy, the "terrorist" Nicaraguan contras and probably other right-wing terrorists as well.


But the scariest associations that McCain has are his current political supporters.  Watch this video clip, "Sidewalk to Nowhere" and you will see some of the most frightening examples of home-grown American fascism and racism imaginable, hate-filled crazies smart enough to watch what they say on camera, but unable to hide the truth in their body language and voices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

Guilt by association, indeed.  Americans watch this clip and others like it.  Try to imagine the look and the voice of Nazi Party supporters in Weimar Germany during the late 1920s and the early 1930s.  Try to imagine any possible difference between the two groups.

Here is a print description of these hate-filled crazies, but it doesn't begin to describe the truth in their voices and their body language:

<<This election campaign has taken an ugly turn. At recent Republican rallies, members of the crowd have chanted 'terrorist" and "treason" as Palin makes inaccurate and misleading claims about Obama's murky 'unAmerican' activities. The Washington Post reported that, during a Palin rally in Florida on Tuesday, an audience member shouted "Kill him" as Palin accused Obama of "palling around" with Bill Ayers. At another event, Palin supporters jeered and hurled racial slurs at a black sound operator who was working at the event. >>

http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2008/oct/12/mccain-camp-plays-with-fire-as-racism-gets-out-of-/

Any rising star like Obama will attract hundreds of people into his orbit, all hoping to catch a piece of him on the way up and help up the man they see as filled with so much promise.  Ayers, Rezko, Wright, they weren't walking around with two horns and a tail, breathing fire and reeking of burning sulphur (as for example Bush was when he addressed the UN, according to Ugo Chavez.)  To try to nail Obama as a "terrorist" or a "racist" because of his pastor or his early fund-raisers is pathetic, ludicrous and desperate.  A tactic that deserves to fail, and hopefully time will render that verdict against the increasingly desperate and morally bankrupt Republican ticket.


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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 09:37:46 PM »
These fatheads are the saps that voted for Juniorbush twice, and here they are again, as dumb and now with enhanced powers of annoyingness.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2008, 09:45:37 PM »
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Agreed. I'd love to see you post more. At least then we'd have one more person we can have a civil conversation with.

Thanks, sirs and rich.  I have to say that I'm very frustrated at the "so what?" attitude of the left towards all of the information that has come to light about Obama.  He is a perfect example of a user; he's gotten where he is today because of his associations with people and organizations, not because of anything he's accomplished. 

I'm just afraid that the only reason the left so blindly supports Obama is that they want a Democrat in the White House; it doesn't matter which one, just as long as there is a (D) after the name.  They're willing to overlook and ignore anything negative for fear they might lose another election.  It's a shame that they didn't pick Hillary instead.

And it goes without saying that if McCain wins, we'll be inundated with cries of "Fraud! They stole the election!"