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The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth

Last updated at 5:57 PM on 10th November 2008

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Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell ? or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.

The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship ? its nearest equivalent ? is focused on a man who actually did something.

I really don?t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.
 
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It already has all the signs of such a thing. The newspapers which recorded Obama?s victory have become valuable relics. You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn?t yet a children?s picture version of his story, there soon will be.

Proper books, recording his sordid associates, his cowardly voting record, his astonishingly militant commitment to unrestricted abortion and his blundering trip to Africa, are little-read and hard to find.

If you can believe that this undistinguished and conventionally Left-wing machine politician is a sort of secular saviour, then you can believe anything. He plainly doesn?t believe it himself. His cliche-stuffed, PC clunker of an acceptance speech suffered badly from nerves.  It was what you would expect from someone who knew he?d promised too much and that from now on the easy bit was over.

He needn?t worry too much. From now on, the rough boys and girls of America?s Democratic Party apparatus, many recycled from Bill Clinton?s stained and crumpled entourage, will crowd round him, to collect the rich spoils of his victory and also tell him what to do, which is what he is used to.
   
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Just look at his sermon by the shores of Lake Michigan. He really did talk about a ?new dawn?, and a ?timeless creed? (which was ?yes, we can?). He proclaimed that ?change has come?. He revealed that, despite having edited the Harvard Law Review, he doesn?t know what ?enormity? means. He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair, burbling about putting our hands on the arc of history (or was it the ark of history?) and bending it once more toward the hope of a better day (Don?t try this at home).

I am not making this up. No wonder that awful old hack Jesse Jackson sobbed as he watched. How he must wish he, too, could get away with this sort of stuff.

And it was interesting how the President-elect failed to lift his admiring audience by repeated ? but rather hesitant ? invocations of the brainless slogan he was forced by his minders to adopt against his will ? ?Yes, we can?. They were supposed to thunder ?Yes, we can!? back at him, but they just wouldn?t join in.  No wonder. Yes we can what exactly? Go home and keep a close eye on the tax rate, is my advice. He?d have been better off bursting into ?I?d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony? which contains roughly the same message and might have attracted some valuable commercial sponsorship.

Perhaps, being a Chicago crowd, they knew some of the things that 52.5 per cent of America prefers not to know. They know Obama is the obedient servant of one of the most squalid and unshakeable political machines in America. They know that one of his alarmingly close associates, a state-subsidised slum landlord called Tony Rezko, has been convicted on fraud and corruption charges.

They also know the US is just as segregated as it was before Martin Luther King ? in schools, streets, neighbourhoods, holidays, even in its TV-watching habits and its choice of fast-food joint. The difference is that it is now done by unspoken agreement rather than by law.

If Mr Obama?s election had threatened any of that, his feel-good white supporters would have scuttled off and voted for John McCain, or practically anyone. But it doesn?t. Mr Obama, thanks mainly to the now-departed grandmother he alternately praised as a saint and denounced as a racial bigot, has the huge advantages of an expensive private education. He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.

If the nonsensical claims made for this election were true, then every positive discrimination programme aimed at helping black people into jobs they otherwise wouldn?t get should be abandoned forthwith. Nothing of the kind will happen. On the contrary, there will probably be more of them.

And if those who voted for Obama were all proving their anti-racist nobility, that presumably means that those many millions who didn?t vote for him were proving themselves to be hopeless bigots. This is obviously untrue.
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Yes we can what?: Barack Obama ran on the ticket of change

I was in Washington DC the night of the election. America?s beautiful capital has a sad secret. It is perhaps the most racially divided city in the world, with 15th Street ? which runs due north from the White House ? the unofficial frontier between black and white. But, like so much of America, it also now has a new division, and one which is in many ways much more important. I had attended an election-night party in a smart and liberal white area, but was staying the night less than a mile away on the edge of a suburb where Spanish is spoken as much as English, plus a smattering of tongues from such places as Ethiopia, Somalia and Afghanistan.

As I walked, I crossed another of Washington?s secret frontiers. There had been a few white people blowing car horns and shouting, as the result became clear. But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy.

They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war. Forget the Cold War, or even the Iraq War. The United States, having for the most part a deeply conservative people, had until now just about stood out against many of the mistakes which have ruined so much of the rest of the world.

Suspicious of welfare addiction, feeble justice and high taxes, totally committed to preserving its own national sovereignty, unabashedly Christian in a world part secular and part Muslim, suspicious of the Great Global Warming panic, it was unique.

These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America?s conservative party ? the Republicans ? to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 11:31:17 AM »
Silly ratwing crap, a waste of electrons.

Third World politics is when a totally incompetent son of a former president and CIA chief "wins" an election by chicanery in a state run by his brother, then proceeds to start a war by lying and deception, borrowing billions from the Japanese and Chinese tp piss away in a land war in Asia that lingers on and on.

Obama is the man who was elected to END this Third World incompetence.

Jeez, give the man a chance.

Moron!
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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 02:43:49 PM »
Silly ratwing crap, a waste of electrons.

Third World politics is when a totally incompetent son of a former president and CIA chief "wins" an election by chicanery in a state run by his brother, then proceeds to start a war by lying and deception, borrowing billions from the Japanese and Chinese tp piss away in a land war in Asia that lingers on and on.

Obama is the man who was elected to END this Third World incompetence.

Jeez, give the man a chance.

Moron!

Even though I voted for McCain, I do hold hope for Obama.
I agree with you statement here, Xavier. It's quite precise and on the mark.

Obama is hope. HE's also an intelligent man.

Ok....folks....when Bush was under the gun after 9-11, and sure that was a tough patch for his new administraton...but when he offered the "fight", "the hope"....he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has. The patience to use that intelligence wisely.

BUsh recently admitted that he made a mistake to call "mission accomplished".

HE will never admit that Iraq was the wrong plan of action. But, I do believe in his heart of hearts that he does believe there was a fraction of mistakes made with that "call".

It must be one hell of thing to be a president of this nation.

Obama is grace.
He's intelligence.
He's the "quiet man" who rose up to the occassion to beat out many folks for this stressful job.

I might be a closet republican based on my beliefs for pro-life, but I can definitely say that Obama will be one to think before he jumps.

It will not be completely up to him, anyway. THere are too many other factors involved.  Any sort of pre- judgement of Obama falls on bad taste and tastes of sour grapes, imo.

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 04:46:16 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 04:57:32 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

It must have  been a teacher that fucked up that destroyed piece of shit that you call brain for you to react this way.





















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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2008, 04:59:51 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

It must have  been a teacher that fucked up that destroyed piece of shit that you call brain for you to react this way.






















Thanks Knutey.

Richpo is an poor example for a human being, let alone a literate one. . .

Knutey

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 05:04:59 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

It must have  been a teacher that fucked up that destroyed piece of shit that you call brain for you to react this way.


Thanks Knutey.

Richpo is an poor example for a human being, let alone a literate one. . .

Ur welcome. Did I tell you that my wife taught for over 33 years? Mostly 3rd grade. Richie behaves worse than even the worst of them.

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 05:07:33 PM »
Seriously. Teaching is something you should do for your dog. Even that may be beyond your pay grade.

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 05:12:24 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

It must have  been a teacher that fucked up that destroyed piece of shit that you call brain for you to react this way.


Thanks Knutey.

Richpo is an poor example for a human being, let alone a literate one. . .

Ur welcome. Did I tell you that my wife taught for over 33 years? Mostly 3rd grade. Richie behaves worse than even the worst of them.

I have to apologize to you, Knutey. I've misjudged you.
I love teaching 3rd grade. I have taught for exactly 33 years this year. I started when I was 12. ha!
That's cool about you wife. I was an early childhood teacher for the first 6 years k-1, a 2nd grade teacher for 23 years and now have taught 3rd for the past 4 years. I love it.

Richpo is really bad ass. I realized that when he said something very hateful about Henny's relative. It wasn't cool.

Thanks,

Cindy

Knutey

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 05:21:50 PM »
>> ... he did so without the intelligence that I believe Obama has.<<

You're an idiot. Please resign from teaching before you do serious damage.

It must have  been a teacher that fucked up that destroyed piece of shit that you call brain for you to react this way.


Thanks Knutey.

Richpo is an poor example for a human being, let alone a literate one. . .

Ur welcome. Did I tell you that my wife taught for over 33 years? Mostly 3rd grade. Richie behaves worse than even the worst of them.

I have to apologize to you, Knutey. I've misjudged you.
I love teaching 3rd grade. I have taught for exactly 33 years this year. I started when I was 12. ha!
That's cool about you wife. I was an early childhood teacher for the first 6 years k-1, a 2nd grade teacher for 23 years and now have taught 3rd for the past 4 years. I love it.

Richpo is really bad ass. I realized that when he said something very hateful about Henny's relative. It wasn't cool.

Thanks,

Cindy

You probly didnt notice that I have said that in real life I am actually a very nice guy. As a great chatter once said. " I am only an asshole when I am in here with you assholes!" Richpo and a good friend of mine are the template that I used for my Knutegross persona. They are both obnoxious RW idiots without a clue as to how hate-filled and arrogant they come across. I was mimicking them, but I came to learn how much fun hating really can be .

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 05:24:25 PM »
Aren't you going to whine about being singled out and go off on some "poor me" tantrum like you do when BT asks you a simple fucking question?

Cindy, if I was in your school district I'd campaign for your removal on the grounds of incompetence. I'd use you immature whining and total lack of command of the English language you so ignorantly display in here on a daily basis as evidence. Whether it was to much acid in your formative years, or perhaps you were dropped on your head as child, either way, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children in a teaching capacity.

Now go stroke your dog knutty.

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 05:45:21 PM »
You probly didnt notice that I have said that in real life I am actually a very nice guy. As a great chatter once said. " I am only an asshole when I am in here with you assholes!" Richpo and a good friend of mine are the template that I used for my Knutegross persona. They are both obnoxious RW idiots without a clue as to how hate-filled and arrogant they come across. I was mimicking them, but I came to learn how much fun hating really can be "



Interesting, as I have come to realize that who we are in these forums pale in comparison to the real person. . . right down to the fingernails with which we type.
When I started on the "message board" wave in 2000, I joined Courttv board. Back then it was new to so many folks, and computers were BRAND NEW TO ME. I didn't even own one. I used the computers at work (after hours of course). That became a dangerous thing to do, so I bought my own. The message boards on teh courttv were filled with hateful people, and some really nice people. I went through some very painful times back then. I had to learn not to take things so personally. That's not always easy to do. No one will really ever "know" the person fully until the faces have met. But I made some great connections, and burned bridges I regret to this day...

 I sided with folks on that board who were basically your typical rebels (as I have that spirit within me, as well).
 I got caught up in arguments that were not my style in real life AT ALL. ha. Gosh, that was freaky!
 I also believed that what I read was what was real in terms of the person's personality. .....and trusted way too much. So, winded that I am....I have perspective on here. I don't reply to every single  hateful post. I can't. It would take away the joy I get from the real volley in here.
My gosh, I thought Kimba was a woman!! That was wierd.

Ami is a good egg.  I used to think he was a wall street exec. of sorts. What a difference a few chats can make. But even still, no one really knows the other until there's a flesh to flesh meet. Even



Sure,  I get pissed at Bt, but I respect him very much. I have learned to take him seriously and because I trust him, if he takes me to task and I believe I am right, I can really get flustered. But, he's the only one.
Sirs is a good egg as well. I don't agree with him these days, but I like Gary.

I could go on and on and on.....but I''m not going to frame a picture of each member I have gotten to know in the this saloon ... I love to read good posts, worthy of the topic at hand, laugh, feel and

then, I  ignore the elements that remind me of bad times experienced in the past..... they're not worth it. Life's too short. 
period.

Basically, I understand the dichotomy of personalities. But it only takes on act of reality and kindness from the heart to make it known that a person is not a really ugly individual.

Who cares

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2008, 06:00:45 PM »
I have to wonder if anybody gives a shit what you think of them. You love to pass your obtuse judgement on them when you can't dispute their argument. As for me, I get tired of reading your garbled nonsense. I do however get a kick out of watching you fall to peaces when someone (like BT) asks you to explain yourself.

It's like that guy from the movie scanners.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA[/youtube]

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Re: The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 02:30:24 AM »
Richpo is really bad ass. I realized that when he said something very hateful about Henny's relative. It wasn't cool.

My son.

But Rich and I talked (on IM) after the fact, and I believe that the situation was taken out of context by myself and others. I moved on, and in retrospect - taking into consideration that I've known Rich for over a decade now online (damn but we're getting old) - I don't believe that he meant harm or actual malice.

In a nutshell, Rich just gets a bit "overheated" in some debates.

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 09:32:56 AM »
In a nutshell, Rich just gets a bit "overheated" in some debates.


Some?
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